Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

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Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:21 am

This post will wonder and seem nonsensical but it is a work in progress and this is how i tease out geometrical patterns number patters.

I am trying to bridge zero / zero at point nine and zero at point six and zero at point three with the explicate workings of points: 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 , to connect these six points in the action of:



0 ...……….…… 0





....… 4 / 4





5 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 4





5 ..……….…… 4





....… 4 / 5





4 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 5






4 ..……….…… 4





….…0 / 0




So I will wonder until my mind releases what it all ready knows at a sub conches level, but with holds from conches cognitive understanding as an awareness freely understood as a modelled understanding.

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Early today: I was walking along a foot path today , enjoying my inner I & E space,. rolling energy direct cognitive conceptual energy so to say, seeking an understanding. what is missing that I am not recognising as a boundary in play…when in the distance two students where practicing catching the moving ball with there kendo like sticks and redirecting it to the other to catch and re redirect the flow of the balls movement as an object though the air as a eye body tactile movement management training.

When it accrued to me that:

- space, time, force,
- resistance, direct cognition,
- creation, matter, energy,
- the will to do, the will to be, will to see,

..where all factors within the synergetic action of activity.

Aikido and jiujitsu as disciplines,. draws upon or requires from the successful practitioner, Presence - Qi or Chi / Receptivity - Knowledge - Agenda.


I was fortunate enough to stubby for a short time separately Aikido and jiujitsu and when I was 11 or 12 I received the second highest grading score ever recorded in the southern hemisphere for a jiujitsu grading, so I understand the basic physics and phenomenology to manifest the Law of three working in union with the action of the law: severn. And to some degree I have practical understanding of Law Fours fundamental force.

But the complexity is translating all these factors into a sound structure that mirrors the workings of the Human condition a mind in action participating within the life force hosted by Greater Nature.

I seem to be stuck, ..and unable to bridge all the brake down models as one hole fluid moving mechanism as a hole dynamic model represented as a symbolised form a geometrical structure. Strings and Big-things, mind and implicate physics as a primary model representing forces in action.


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http://practicalbudo.blogspot.com.au/2010/10/sacred-geometry-or-grown-men-in-pajamas.html


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http://www.traffordaikido.org.uk/symbols.html


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……….… S -- N




T -- F …………..… P -- J



Abstract Drawing:- e.g.

- SO (1)(0);(0)(1),(1)(1)or SO (1)(0);(1)(1),(0)(1)
- SX (0)(1);(1)(1),(1)(0)or SX (0)(1);(1)(0),(1)(1)
- SP (1)(1);(0)(1),(1)(0)or SP (1)(1);(1)(0),(0)(1)



.…….……..9: Points


..……….… 0


.... 6



The primary triangle is interesting and it can remind me of many things like a "Y" and an "X" that can menu access perhaps all dimensions privy to its actions with in the: Action , Greater Nature , Of Greater Nature.

( like a "Y" and an abstract "X" )


"Y" = Intuit / Area

…….. Experience


"X" = Intuit / Think


..….. Feel ... Sense


or

"Y" = Intuit / Area ("objective reality")

…….. Experience ("Phenomenological")


"X" = Intuit / Think ("Impersonal - Personal")


..….. Feel ... Sense ("Response - Reaction") "perhaps"



- gut = un conches = SX
- hart = sub conches = SOC
- head = conches = SP



..4…………………..4


….……… 5


..4…………………..4





The Hole Brain Model is a Hole Brain Model,. That within my understanding connects in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ,and more.






0 ..……….…… 0





....… 4 / 4





5 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 4





5 ..……….…… 4





....… 4 / 5





4 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 5






4 ..……….…… 4





….…0 / 0






Quote: All Process Begin At Zero,. at Point: 9 ,.And End At Nine At Point: 9
- [A.G.E Blake]



The Enneagram of personality consists in part of Nine Energies & Eighteen Sub-Types , each of three Instincts ,with six variations.

If you view the nine parts as a complete loop this is a view of the tenth.


….…0 / 0





0 ..……….…… 0



When I think about Law:10 and the possibility that it sits above point nine,.
I like to also recall this, Quote:

All Process Begin At Zero,. at Point: 9 ,.And End At Nine At Point: 9
- [A.G.E Blake]

.

You may see that I am looking to label these five values that added together,. 4 + 4 + 4 +4 + 5 = 21


..4…………………..4


….……… 5


..4…………………..4


..and you may recall from the posts I deleted:

The 1/2 can from looking at the number 36 in a different way ( 3=1 , 6=2 ) ,. 36 + 36 + 36 = 108


……….. 36



36 …………….. 36





……….. 1/2



1/2 …………….. 1/2



..the 1/2 can be abstracted as a symbol value to be viewed as a number value: 21


21 + 21 + 21 = 63

63 + 45 = 108

54 - 45 = 9

16 + 5 + 20 + 4 = 45

108 - 45 = 63


Two components: 4 and 5 , 4 + 5 = 9


..4…………………..4


….……… 5


..4...………………..4



4+5= 9
4+5= 9
4+5= 9
4+5= 9
……. 36



Fig. of five hole brain points.


..1…………………..1


….……… 1


..1...………………..1




Fig. of four quadrants of the ,five hole brain point model.


..1…………………..1


….……… 0


..1...………………..1



Question,. how do I factor in Law:7 and points: 1 2 4 5 7 8

Do I need to acknowledge the number 11 and if so how? and why?


6 + 5 = 11

6 - Intuit, Area, Experience, Think, Feel, Sense
5 - Presence - Qi or Chi / Receptivity - Knowledge - Agenda.


7 + 4 = 11

7 - space, time, force, direct cognition, creation, matter, energy,
4 - resistance, the will to do, the will to be, will to see,


11 + 8 = 19

Eleven plus ,Eight Master Genes & Nineteen Boundaries of Creation.

11 + 8 + 19 = 38 ,. a three and an eight,

38 - 2 = 36 ,. Two Force, & ,the triangle, & ,the six point fig.


One scale with two paths,. Level 1 to 9 , Level 9 to 1


Level: 1 LLLLLLLLLI 9 :Level

…..………… O

….. LLLLLLI … LLLLLLI
.


O - one side faces away and the other face to the screen.
___

O - one side faces away and the other face to the screen.


1 0 1 , 11 , 1.1 , the decimal point (.)='s zero , zero could be seen as a screen.




..…….. 0



1 .…………….. 1



A & B of C , A & B one force and C being the multiplicity deciding and uniting A and B as one form of C , A and B two forces , A & B of C one force and C at point nine a second force , two parts three parts four parts from one part "C" Host within membrane from beyond membrane.



1 --------- 0


1 --------- 1





.…….. C



A ……"C"…… B



With a concept of two force and a third implicate ,. C and "C" could be thought of as one component ,each of being both forces , with a further a third implicate being the domain of all we serval from Awareness. Loosely speaking Creation The Universe Hosted is in this context Greater Natures Third Implicate. In a religious context,. "we partake of the body of the divine The Divine Force,. All so known as Holy Love or could be simply noted as, Host Universe.

I edited and added these last comments after my post proceeding this post. The next post involving a lateral interpretation of the carbon spectrum with 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end old enneagram institute discussion board topic post in mind and my curiosity for Prime Numbers to. :D

Part: 1 of 2

Professor Leonard Susskind
So, the dark energy is not exactly zero, but the first 122 decimal points are zero. That's crazy. That is really one of the craziest things we've ever discovered.


Professor Brian Greene
The amount of it is bizarre. It's a number that has basically a decimal point, 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end. It's hard for us to imagine starting with a theory, doing calculations, and, after some number of pages of scribbling, having .000... All these zeros and then a one pop out of our equations.


Some back ground stuff,. to help the reader get up to speed. :D

STORY ARCHIVE
Thursday, 29 August 2013
CUSTOM UNIVERSE - FINETUNED FOR US?
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3836881.htm

A decimal point, 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end.

eight master genes
three law ten's and law three
one hundred and eight, 108 divided by 18 = 6 and divided by 9 = 16

The table chart for the higgs boson field has, six quarts and six leptons and four gauge bosons equaling sixteen components.

122 + 3 = 125 placings from the decimal point.

Decimal point as the Higgs Boson?

18 divided by 125 = 0.144

Mass spectrum for the carbon atom: 3+11+15+19+23+40+50+60+80+90 = 461

461.125

4+6+1+1+2+5 = 19 Boundaries of Creation

461.144

4+6+1+1+4+4 = 20 Law: 20

20 - 19 = 1

4 Boundaries 3 Segments

I give a number value of 18 to each line that makes the inner triangle and or a value of two nines one for each end of each of the three lines that make the inner triangle, equaling 54.

I also recognise that the number 54 can be read as 45 , < 54 > depending upon the direction of flow.

45+54+45 = 114

THE ABSOLUTE

DO 2592 7/7
TI 2406 6/7
LA 2221 5/7
SO 2036 4/7
FA 1851 3/7
MI 1666 2/7
RE 1481 1/7
DO 1296 0/7


DO 2+5+9+2 = 18
TI 2+4+0+6 = 12
LA 2+2+2+1 = 7
SO 2+0+3+6 = 11
FA 1+8+5+1 = 15
MI 1+6+6+6 = 19
RE 1+4+8+1 = 14
DO 1+2+9+6 = 18

DO + DO=36
TI + RE = 26
LA + MI = 26
SO + FA = 26
.........….. 114

45+54+45 = 114


mark anthony rockliff - 19 Sep 2013 8:10:49pm

Part: 2 of 2

461.114


4 + 4 = 8 eight master genes
6 + 4 =10 law:10
1 + 1 = 2 cause and effect

Decimal point: reconciliation

Decimal point: value one.

1+1+1+4= 10

4+6+1 = 11


Implicate end: 1 ------- 0 Cercle of the enneagram

Absolute:centre.............. Universe: Intelligent Enneagram

Implicate end: 1 ------- 1 Centre of the enneagram


4 Boundaries 3 Segments

1 ------- 0

1 ------- 1


144 - 114 = 30

A decimal point, 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end.


144 and 114 & 122 and 138 , 122 114 , 2+2 = 4

144 and 114 & 122 and 138 , 144 , 4+4 = 8

144 and 114 & 122 and 138 , 1+1+1 = 3


1__ and 1__

.01

1 ------- 0 :The zero

1 ------- 1 :The one

At this point I start to think of Strings and the possibility that the Absolute is represented in all living cells and via the Atom within.

And that: 1 --- 1 and 1 --- 0 , are related to zero to nine and before and after the decimal point or each side of the decimal point and the decimal point I think of as a representation of the centre of the Intelligent enneagram and the implicate of the dynamic of the absolute and its functionality within the workings of the explicate.

And that is about as far as I have lateral think ed Professor Leonard Susskind and Professor Brian Greene curiosity about the very long number they spoke of.


mark anthony rockliff - 12 Sep 2013 1:32:19am


[size=85]mark anthony rockliff - 13 Sep 2013 7:37:47am

One final thing that popped into mind, I said:

12.28571428571428
13.71428571428571
25.99999999999999

Take the 20 away and the number is 5.99999999999999 This number could be seen as

1
1
1
1
1
0.99999999999999

I just remembered that I did some interesting work not long back relating to carbon the element.

To make it easy hear is a link but watch part 2 of 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040Jwg1j ... D5664738CF

I mention this because the 20 that is left over may relate to carbon and we are carbon based life forms.

I have mentioned eight master genes but carbon is important to.

I provided the number .144 from: 18 divided by 125 = 0.144

Her is a link to the post I posted on The Enneagram Institute Discussion Board, Chat Lounge, Topic: extraordinary, Posted - 03 Apr 2013 : 10:42:08 AM
By me avatar, rockthrower.

https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/foru ... jIpvRa-Q18

The point this post is that, I it suggested that there maybe a law:10 and a law:20 that sits about point Nine of the enneagram.

The sum I generated: 3+11+15+19+23+40+50+60+80+90 = 461

........60.



400.............1.


400
..60
....1.

I provided the number .144 from: 18 divided by 125 = 0.144

And if you look at it going the other way it could be read as: 441

441 is 20 less that 461

So you can see why I have added it to the body of work I have sheared.

But just for fun I will right this number: 461.144, wouldn't it be interesting if that number as it is was of importance.

Any way you may find the Race to Catch a Buckyball (Part 2 of 4) interesting and my post on the enneagram institute web sit interesting as well.

Like all my work they are Ideas I enjoy working on to the level of my capability which is limited by my understanding of math and science.


mark anthony rockliff - 13 Sep 2013 3:10:36am

Professor Leonard Susskind
So, the dark energy is not exactly zero, but the first 122 decimal points are zero. That's crazy. That is really one of the craziest things we've ever discovered.

Professor Brian Greene
The amount of it is bizarre. It's a number that has basically a decimal point, 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end. It's hard for us to imagine starting with a theory, doing calculations, and, after some number of pages of scribbling, having .000... All these zeros and then a one pop out of our equations.

NARRATION
Instead of trying to explain away the fine-tuning with a multiverse, Paul Davies says we could accept that the universe has been fine-tuned to produce intelligent minds. After all, there is reason to think our brains are special, he says.


These are interesting numbers, It has just darned on me the posable significance.

Fist I would like you to keep in mind Paul Davies says we could accept that the universe has been fine-tuned to produce intelligent minds. After all, there is reason to think our brains are special, he says.

The fist set of numbers we will think of is 8 in 138.

8 is significant because we have eight master genes and all living animals and insects, on planet earth are built from cells vie eight master genes model.

3 Next we will keep in mind enneagram author, Helen Palmer, and her insight into non dual conciseness and A.G.E. Blake ( cause effect reconciliation ) A to B to C and returning to A, and Gurdieff's the law of three.

1 THE ABSOLUTE, To gain insight best to read author Russell A. Smith: Gurdieff: Cosmic Secrets,
ISBN 0-9643031 -0-8

To move on to the next portion of the number decimal point 122 zeros.

This part is trickier so I will try to extent my lucid dreaming impression the best I can with components I have been working on for some time.

But fist the number:18 within the enneagram of personality is important because we are not only one of nine energies as type we are one of 18 subtypes.

122 zeros plus the three numbers 138 = 125 numbers , 125 divided by 18 = .144

144 divided by 18 equals 8

144 divided by 9 equals 16 , 16 is interesting because of the table chart for the higgs boson field, is has 16 ingredient so to say, 8 Quarts and 8 Leptons.

But I do not want to get of track.

144 and this is the part I realised while lucid dreaming 144 can be seen as 45 + 54 + 45.

Now I have been looking at the diagram page: 94 Russell A. Smith: Gurdieff: Cosmic Secrets, for quite some time thinking about it.

4 BOUNDARIES 3 SEGMENTS
And you will note the triangle P 94,. I have placed three values for each line of the triangle 18 and 18 and 18. And you can think of the ends of the lines as having the value 9 at each end making six units of nine.

three times eighteen



Posted - 09 Sep 2013 : 03:00:34 AM

The interesting thing was that there is a minute difference between the six sets of numbers and when one set of numbers 72 divided by 21 = 3.42857142857143 is replace by
54 divided by 21 = 2.57142857142857 the sum equals:


12.28571428571428
13.71428571428571
25.99999999999999

Take the 20 away and the number is 5.99999999999999 This number could be seen as

1
1
1
1
1
0.99999999999999

Of the six there is one with a minute difference from the other five of the six values.

I could go deeper in to the symbology of the number 54 to the symbol of the absolute six times nine equals fifty four, or and three times eighteen equals fifty four.

I think that people are to comfortable with seeing the would as three or four dymentiodnal and forget that the universe has more dimensions than three or four so is is not in posable that a simple method of deduction as I have demonstrated maybe a key in to unlocking a path way into a greater understanding of the scale and order between the multiplicity of dimensions that underly the universe that hosts our experience as living beings.

I suspect there is something with in this patter that is meaningful.

And dividing the number by 21 is interesting because three Severn's equals twenty one and another interesting thing is try fix and try type one is a grouping of three unit values and the other is a grouping of three sets of two unit values.

Please try as hard as you can to separate the reality that, human personalities utilising intelligence has has its observational and processing functions dependant upon the operations of tri-fix and tri-type functionality to help order understanding of the would and universe that hosts it very existence.

The values of 2 and 1 may have a deeper meaning than realised with , both values separate with the models of tri-fix and tri-type and placed together within the system of nine co-working points and eighteen co-working points.

Soon I will for the fun of it, do some modelling with the value of 2 for the core point and 1 for the wing point and work towards a system that has seven values for each of the nine points. And then work towards integrating both wings and the core point with in a twenty one unit value system. Hopefully with the help of fractions I may be able to find a base model where in 18+3 = 21 and a fractal of fractions brings more than one model together in unisons.

The value of three, (18+3 = 21), naturally I will seek to have as a third implicate value, as if its station as a function generates its influence from the centre of the enneagram symbol and each point as if the enneagram where like an imposable object that has more that three and four dimensions.[/size]

mark anthony rockliff - 12 Sep 2013 1:28:53am

This maybe help full in helping to work towards solving the puzzle about

Rt here is a small contribution on the numbers 12, 36 and 72 which you are interested. Search: Gurdjieff diagram of the absolute.

world 12 is given in his diagram...the deutercosmos.
world 24 is also given in his diagram...the microcosmos.
world 36 is not given in his diagram....represents a shock.
world 48 is given in his diagram....the tritocosmos.
world 72 is not given in his diagram...represents a shock.
world 96 is given in his diagram....the microcosmos.

note that world 36 and world 72 are obtained from the sum total of the world above and world below divided by 2.

The idea of shocks may shed a different light into your diagrams.
Other than this I have nothing else to add.


Any way to cut a long story short it got my brain ticking and some old ground work resurfaced and I expanded on it and manifested this.

Honey Bee had sheared:
-note that world 36 and world 72 are obtained from the sum total of the world above and world below divided by 2.

And I this was the result..


.. 1 2
.. 2 4
.. 3 6
.. 4 8
.. 7 2
.. 9 6
.26+28 = 54

54 divided by 18 = 3

54 divided by 9 = 6


96 - 54 = 42


42 divided by 2 = 21


12 divided by 21 = 0.57142857142857

24 divided by 21 = 1.14285714285714

36 divided by 21 = 1.71428571428571

48 divided by 21 = 2.28571428571429

54 divided by 21 = 2.57142857142857

96 divided by 21 = 4.57142857142857

If you start to add the numbers from the last 7 on the bottom row 7+7+9+1+4= 28 and put the 8 as the first number and on the far right hand side and carry the 2 and continue adding the rows right to left and caring the tens number to the next row you get this interesting number.

12.28571428571428

What dose it mean? I do not know but there is that number sequence in the final sum but it is slightly different in the other values.

12.28571428571428

"But you will note that I stuffed it up" But I will leave it there. 12.28571428571428

The correction:

12 divided by 21 = 0.57142857142857

24 divided by 21 = 1.14285714285714

36 divided by 21 = 1.71428571428571

48 divided by 21 = 2.28571428571429

72 divided by 21 = 3.42857142857143

96 divided by 21 = 4.57142857142857

The sum, add the numbers from the last 7 on the bottom row 7+3+9+1+4= 31 and put the 1 as the first number and on the far right hand side, and carry the 3 and continue adding the rows right to left and caring the tens number to the next row you get this interesting number also.

13.71428571428571

12.28571428571428
13.71428571428571
25.99999999999999


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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:50 pm

I knew the number eleven was interesting,. and given time..recognition pushed forward into mind, a question, that related to Carbon, the carbon spectrum.

I was hoping for 11 and thinking it maybe as may as 13 but a number I avoided in my last selections the number: 10.

Ten is a fine number but it has its place in structure and has no value as a hole number but 11 dues it is like a funny or unusual Prime Number. It has a twin components it is like a surrogate two at a some what third implicate abstract like-componentry level.

00,, 11,, 22,, 33,, 44,, 55,, 66,, 77,, 88,, 99 Eleven is one of ten like numbers.

Componentry; the Mass spectrum for the carbon atom: 3+11+15+19+23+40+50+60+80+90 = 461
...……………………………………………………………………1 .. 2 .. 3 ... 4 .. 5 ... 6 .. 7 ... 8 ... 9 . 10 ... 011

Carbon is important to introduce because it is the most abundant star dust in our vicinity, Galaxy ...and We Are Carbon Based Life Forms.

11 and 8 Carbon & Master Genes.

"The work load never ends…" :roll:
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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:05 pm

Ar yer,. 122 divided by 11 = 11.0909090909091

New interesting number,. i am thing ,. six zeros , six nines , and a one. Begins with an 11 and ends with a 1 and it has 13 numbers following the decimal point.

Interesting.. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ,. five ones 11 = 11.0909090909091 ,. 122 ,. 1 + 1+1 + 1+1 = 5

5+5 = 10 ,. Law:10 ???

? is it a dot or is it a line.. six zeros ,. six dots , six nines ------ six lines,. the six point Fig. has six lines. and the triangle has three primary points ,. three primary point three units of the number value one.



Please spirits above .. no more miraculous .. or I could start to think the soul's Riso & Gurdjieff are adding wait, vier my un conches, to the work load. lol :lol:


Cheers , I hope my humour is not a course of offence within ,.the readers feeling body ..


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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:32 pm

If I am going to mention 122 divided by 11 = 11.0909090909091 then I need to repost 56 divided by 12 = 4.6666667 & 56 divided by 21 = 2.66666667

So I may as well re post some of the posts I deleted.





How do you shape your own minds operation?

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How do you shape your own minds operation?
by Kitchen Fly » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:52 pm
I have two simple designs I view my inner minds, as working with in.

One mind has two parts on two sides


. O - one side faces away and the other face to the screen.
___

. O - one side faces away and the other face to the screen.


Four parts in total.

The fabric of both the screen and the Void between and around ,I perceive as Host. -As the one of the two sides. "Are there really two sides" to the screen?



..And the other model of mind has three parts.

One scale with two paths,. Level 1 to 9 , Level 9 to 1


Level: 1 LLLLLLLLLI 9 :Level

…..………… O

….. LLLLLLI LLLLLLI




My resent model components ,and the standard model of the Center's.

-The Void
-Hole Love
-Space
-Innocence
-Shame
-Guilt


..and I think of six of the severn are always occupying all of one set of six placings.

- Higher Mental Center
- Higher Emotional Center
- Intellectual Center
- Emotional Center
- Moving Center
- Instinctive Center
- Sex Center


I think of one face view as connected with the operation of the space between the twelve components may shear that same space simultaneously,. as if ,at some level all energies synergies as they stand separate true to there station. Preserving the autonomy of design. Greater Natures Hu.

The three: O are a void; ..that I consider as, Self, "I AM" ,and Physical Psyche..



How do you conceptualise the shape of your own mind minds operation?
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369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2, Feel Triads? Feel Instincts?
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:58 am
369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2 Personality; Feel Triads Impersonally Gut? Feel Instincts Innately Hart? Cognition Subjectively Head?

In contrast to: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w4 Personality; Sense Triads Impersonally Gut? Senes Instincts Innately Hart? Cognition Subjectively Head?

There are may layers influencing mind ,vier the mechanism of selfs own,. Innate Enneagram.

Observing the visible expression ,of the three triads is posable by focusing upon that filter or that portion of now time expression within an individuals narrative/ story of who they area as they are: as type, as person, as Being.

Observing the visible expression ,of the three instinctual energies is also posable and it seems that the three Instincts have six expressions ,energy variations.

Sp/sx
Sp/so
So/sx
So/sp
Sx/sp
Sx/so

…And all nine types are co governed by the components of: Id, Ego, Supper Ego. The Six Instinctual Variants ,seem to be governed by an influence of two sets of Influences from the three primary points of Points: 3, 6, and 9. One set serves the the Subtype component of type; sense, feel, Intuit. And the other set seems to serves the emotional body of type; Sense, Think, Feel.

The influence is vier three orientations:

1) The or A three three part ordering of:

- Un Conches First , Sub Conches Second , Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Third , Conches First.
- Sub Conches First , Conches Second , Un Conches Third ,. or Un Conches Second , Conches Third.
- Conches First , Un Conches Second , Sub Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Second , Un Conches Second.


2)

- "(Sp Point:2/"think?"/sx point:5)"-->"(Sx Point:5/"feel?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"sense?"/sp point:2)" --> "(Sp/"think?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "feel"/so)"--> "(So/ "sense?"/sp)".
- "(Sp Point:2/"sense?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"feel?"/sx point:5 )"-->"(Sx Point:5/"think?"/sp point:2)"--> "(Sp/ "sense?"/so)"--> "(So/ "feel?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "think?"/sp)".

- "(Sp Point:2/"think"/sx point:5)" ,, "(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" <-- "(Sx Point:4/"sense"/sp point:2)" ,, "(Sx Point:4/"feel"/sp point:1)".


3) The influence of the second like Instinct component, "(sp point:1)" for the 369 , 396 , 936 ,Sp/Sx/So 3w2,. e.g.

- "(sp point:1)" component for; "(Sp Point:2/"think"/sx point:5)" ,, "(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" <-- "(Sx Point:4/"sense"/sp point:2)" ,, "(Sx Point:4/"feel"/sp point:1)"
- "(Sp Point:2/"think?"/sx point:5)"-->"(Sx Point:5/"feel?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"sense?"/sp point:2)" -->"(Sp/"think?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "feel"/so)"-->"(So/ "sense?"/sp)".
- "(Sp Point:2/"sense?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"feel?"/sx point:5 )"-->"(Sx Point:5/"think?"/sp point:2)"-->"(Sp/ "sense?"/so)"-->"(So/ "feel?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "think?"/sp)".


- "(sp point:1)" component for: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2 Personality; Intuit:

- "(sp point:1/"Intuit"/So Point:8)" ,. "Intuits", -->"(sp point:1/"think"/So Point:7)"-->"(so point:7/"sense"/Sx Point:4 )"-->"(sx point:4/"feel"/Sp Point:1)"-->


4) A mechanism for the six pointed fig; component-mechanism: ( -1-4-2-8-5-7- ) ,is still to be addressed, as also, the role of the Secondary Type Points Tritype Components: Point:1, Point:2, Point:4, Point:5, Point:7, Point:8 .

Predominantly only the Three Instinct Triangle ,for two of the six primary types that shear a 369 396 936 has been addressed in this post, along with the role of two supporting mechanisms components.



My question:

Do..? 369 , 396 , 936 ,Sp/Sx/So 3w2,. Feel The Triads First:"(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" and,. Feel The Instinct First: "(Sx Point:4/"feel"/sp point:1)".


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Re: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2, Feel Triads? Feel Instincts?
by Kitchen Fly » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:32 am
The example, 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2 ,is one of 108.

But it is I suspect, a very big weave. So the example, 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2, is one of 108 and one of thirty six. A simple way to view the three sets of thirty six making the one hundred and eight is by thinking of the three triangles as being three sets working as one hole set that embodies the hole as both one working mechanism and as a multiplicity of mechanisms.

The three six nine triangle is one starting point, the one seven four triangle is another starting point, and the five two eight triangle could also be seen, as another posable starting point if all one hundred and eight components are to be recorded and examined.

I am thinking about working on the other thirty five from the primary: three six nine triangle, starting next with my own because the weave connects naturally between,. 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2 and 936 963 396 9w1 sx/sp/so 9w1. At two junctions.

Your perspicacity may have recognised that type:9 ,DOI, integrates to Point:3 ,and that I was describing an aspect of my self operating within the healthy levels of the Levels of development, Level Two. One supporting clue to this is that the function for; "Intuits" ,. is "(so point:8/"Intuit"/Sp Point:1)" for myself as a, 936 963 396 Sx/Sp 9w1. And you will recall the other injunction switch point,. ,, "(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" <-- "(Sx Point:4/"sense"/sp point:2)" ,, ( sense think feel Intuit )

We have homered zero at point:9 and nine at point:9

I have a simple number pattern structure that abstractly models a working property of the Primary Triangle and I think or suspect it may link with my sum:

56 divided by 12 = 4.6666667 & 56 divided by 21 = 2.66666667

…It consists of three symbols: 1/2 at point:9 1/2 at point:3 1/2 at point:6 , the method of interpretation is to connect between opposite number values one and two a two way arrow pointing line ,six lines in all to manifest a diagram that connects a one at point nine with two twos one at point:3 and one at point:6 , one at point:3 with two lines to the two twos one two at point:6 and one at point:9 , one at point:6 with two lines to the two twos one two at point:9 and one at point:6.

A simple drawing of an economical way to ponder the numbers 12 & 21 & one and two .

"..and now back to the thought track,… "Your perspicacity may have recognised that type:9 ,DOI, integrates to Point:3 ,and that I was describing an aspect of my self operating within the healthy levels of the Levels of development, Level Two. One supporting clue to this is that the function for; "Intuits" ,. is "(so point:8/"Intuit"/Sp Point:1)" for myself as a, 936 963 396 Sx/Sp 9w1. And you will recall the other injunction switch point,. ,, "(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" <-- "(Sx Point:4/"sense"/sp point:2)" ,, ( sense think feel Intuit )

This small insight is very helpful in understanding in part some of the difficulties, 9 , 9w1 , sx/sp/so , 936 963 396 have or can have with exercising some of the properties of point eight at the level of: point personality ,and at the level of Instinct. As if Point:8 has three logos operations,. one for the level of Instinct for e.g So/Sp , type:8 , and Intuit/ Sense/ Thing/ feel.

It is a big job,. but I am thinking about having ago at recognising and recording the first thirty six relating to the six primary types. The weave would be quite interesting to examine and could be most helpful for the advancement of the contemporary models understanding of the living enneagram that applies to the understanding of the Human condition and its place with the larger Universe.

Having said all that I can give no assurance that I will be able to complete the task. It was a tasks that I was naturally suited to undertaking when my mind naturally observed the Human condition thought this lens of perception at the age of 11-13. Obviously I can still see it but my attention has not concisely viewed fluent narrative with this level of sensitivity as a natural every day personal and sheared awareness, mostly personal and reserved. Until seldom practised.

I am hopping that I will be able to, get back on the bike ,. to recall the basic ability, and re establish the innate ability to nuance that level of being and record the flux of the remaining thirty five and perhaps the further seventy two.

See what happens , it may take some time to complete the first thirty six then I get started if I undertake the challenge. Or it may not take that long. It only took me three week to do my one to one table of correlations ,for the 16+2 MBTI types and 18 Enneagram Subtypes. ( google: mark anthony rockliff ) , For those who have read my table of correlations,. it maybe helpful to understand that the context of the correlations is that they mirror the very first portion ( as if, intuit and tactile-being,and the child) ,are linked as one as in, the child in the TA model,. Adult Parent Child in the model Transactional Analysis. Parent and Adult in the model Transactional Analysis, do not correlate to my calibrations but they are not alien to the one to one table of correlations because you can not separate the three functions innately from each other.

The simplest way to cleanly divide into its part: Adult, Parent, Child ,in the: Transactional Analysis Model is loosely as follows:

- My table of one to one correlations ,16+2 MBTI types and 18 Enneagram Subtypes, corresponds to,. Child.
- My new model presented in this topic post, corresponds to,. Adult.
-And the current scientific standard model, perhaps psychometrics, corresponds to,. Parent.


The 1/2 can from looking at the number 36 in a different way ( 3=1 , 6=2 ) ,. 36 + 36 + 36 = 108




……….. 36



36 …………….. 36





……….. 1/2



1/2 …………….. 1/2






Feel free to shear your thoughts. And don't forget to recognise the placing of a dot at the centre of the triangles when you think about 7 from the sum,. two think of three dots is ok but either one or two at a time at this basic level is best. But having said that ,if you have clear contextual understanding for shore work all three dots in more ways than I have sheared. The dot maybe the third implicates representation within every action of every Thing. A Dot with in my context value equals all eleven symbols: . 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0


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Re: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2, Feel Triads? Feel Instincts?
by Kitchen Fly » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:01 am
Then thinking about: Area / Tactual / cenesthetic body /"Intuits"/ and Think Sense Feel..there is more mechanistic freedom than this base line diagram depicts,. But it is help full to make this a staring point within a clear overall recognition of the child and its innate phenomenological experience. The context of the term: Area,. is ones own being ,the experiential space that narrative takes place within as an Individuals experience, experienced.

I am thinking it is difficult to convoy the understanding but I am hoping these three diagrams may help to gain the simple sense of the contextual meaning of as awareness and individual experience as a living life observing and self a wear, partaking in live a life experiencing being alive..




……...… area




……. experience …….







...… Intuit / Think




Feel ………….…… Sense





All processes begin at zero at point nine and end at nine at point nine. ( two parts , three parts , four parts ) Intuit / Think , Sense , Feel




.…….….. 9/0


..……….… .


.. 6 .….……….…... 3


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Having said that,. Area / Tactile / kinaesthetic / Intuit - Think / Sense / Feel. Are not alien experientially ,at or view all nine points of the enneagram.


Within the complexity of each type the role of these severn components will order differently at each of the nine points and all of the nine points and be utilised differently, as differing differences within an individual and also as distinguishable differentiation between all nine type energies and eighteen subtypes and there varying active parts.

Also I suggest within the Individual as a Hole Person free of the limitation imposed vier the separation from, or the loss of active awareness of Holy Love at Level One and beyond, wherein,. the individual has transcends the limiting actions of fixation within the biassing of manifested personality of type. The fixation of being one of nine types and a complication of all nine personality types,. Characteristic traits, behaviours, attitudes, and so on.

The enneagram is a tricky thing to define. It is as easy to say we are one of six instincts with nine energies. As it is also just as easy to say, we are one of eighteen subtypes with six instinctual variant energies. As it is just as easy to say that we are one of nine types with three instinctual forces driving or Attitudinal drives. All three view points are equally true depending upon the the viewing point of perspective. As it is posable to define the self as being all three definitions simultaneously. The point is flexibility is more useful than rigidity at this point in the search toward freedom and universal understanding of self as a hosted entirety of Greater Natures Accord As Host.
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Re: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2, Feel Triads? Feel Instincts?
by Kitchen Fly » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm
There are many direction to to explore from,. this intersection or these injunctions.

Area:

- Un Conches First , Sub Conches Second , Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Third , Conches First.
- Sub Conches First , Conches Second , Un Conches Third ,. or Un Conches Second , Conches Third.
- Conches First , Un Conches Second , Sub Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Second , Un Conches Second.


……….. 1/2



1/2 …………….. 1/2






………... 36



..36 …………….. 36


Three Law:10 and six point: Fig , Six components of the Primary Triangle - Five Dot for each of the Six Subtype component energies and six point: Fig.
(Six five Dot symbol - Hole Brain Model)




...… Intuit / Think




Feel ………….…… Sense




Intuit / Think……….....Feel ………….…… Sense
…..…"………"……………....."………………………"
- Un Conches First , Sub Conches Second , Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Third , Conches First.
- Sub Conches First , Conches Second , Un Conches Third ,. or Un Conches Second , Conches Third.
- Conches First , Un Conches Second , Sub Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Second , Un Conches Second.



But at this point I would like to return to the simple the decimal point ten system and invite you to inter reflect and ponder this simple interesting sum:

56 decided by 22 = 2.54545454545455

And invite you to think about the numbers five and four and perhaps the three two's , 22 & 2 secondly or separately. The Idea is to discover a hidden scaffold that bruges the third implicit workings with the multiplicity of action between layers. It would be fear to say we are in search of new science, knowledge to will help to estivate New Bones. As Gurdjieff may have said if he was traveling this track of exasperation in search of the miraculous.


Note: .54-54-54-54-54-54 and 55 (The six sets of 45 or 54 could relate to the six Fig symbol and the workings of: ( THE SYMBOL OF THE ABSOLUTE ) e.g. if each of the two ends of the three lines of the inner triangle at the centre of the symbol has a value of nine , each of the three line would have a value of eighteen and a combined value of: 54. Considering the Idea of information flow traveling two ways the 54 could be seen as a value of 45. If we wonted to be tricky and through in the question what of the third implicate within this proposed Action? The answer may lie in the sum 54 - 45 = 9 and 45 + 9 = 54 ( 9 + 9 = 18 ) Man's self awareness could be that eighteen, note: four parts one part manifested from a simple play of numbers in the attempt to honer the presence of the third implicate within the math of the living enneagram. There are many interesting D type: lateral thinking concepts to be imagined thought and considered within this paragraph. But first I would think about the symbol diagrams presented in these topic posts relating too, Area as Intuit, / Think , Sense , Feel.

I would suggest considering the sun 9 +9 = 18 ,as relating to Man's self awareness and Think , Sense , Feel ,as a existential mechanical action mechanism. 54 and 45 as a mechanical action of mind (mechanical Man). As an Idea e.g. 9 + 9 = 18 ,Soul , 54 and 45 ,Spirit.

9 + 9 = 18 was manifested from 54 and 45 and can dissolve into Zero,. 4 - 4 = 0 , 5 - 5 = 0 , and the same could be applied to the manifested 9 + 9 = 18 , 9 - 9 = 0


"It seems,. Both God and Mark can give'h ..and take'h away." ,,. " Both,. GOD and MAN ,can giveth ..and taketh away." , "It seems,. Both God and Mark can giveth ..and taketh away."


The objective of abstract a simulation is to stimulate a language code,. to illustrate a switching action between five points as a eleven component injunction of switching paths.

A & B of C ..Two on and three on , Two on and three off , three on and two off , four and 1 , One and four,. a combination of ten actions can be mapped as collaborate components.

The eleventh Area beyond the Five Dot Fig.

If there are ten dimensions the Symbol of the absolute could be the space beyond and third implicate within..the five dot fig.

The eleventh, Area not of the five dots. e.g. as..Host.


5 + 4 = 9 ( we could look at these numbers in more than one way to interpret clues to discover if there is something real to uncover.

My simple mind likes to play it safe and keep it simple and remain close to the basics first. The four and the five,. I like to think of as being connected to my two symbol mechanisms:



This symbol mechanisms for the value ,four connecting to the six pointed Fig.



...… Intuit / Think




Feel ………….…… Sense


And this symbol mechanisms for the value four connecting to the six pointed Fig.


.…….……..9: Points


..……….… 0


.. 6 .….……….…...




.…….……..9: Points


..……….… 0


.. 6 .….……….…... 3



.…….……..9: Points


..……….… 0


.. 6 .….……….…... 3 triangles
Instincts


The Five,. I will reflect on as to how to best explain in a simple way but basically four and five can be also seen in my five dot model. It works primarily as a three on two off two on three off switching mechanism at its basic level of operation. It has more than two componentry actions. One way of thinking of two on three off is in a bifurcation a divide between: Two Force and Three Force Action.



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Re: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2, Feel Triads? Feel Instincts?
by Kitchen Fly » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:35 am
The Five


The Principle Of Unification,. loosely and directly is mechanism that works with, in mind. I recognised it when I was thinking of the possibility of there be two missing MBTI typology's.

Two Types,..two ambidextrous unrecorded types: the ambidextrous S&N and ambidextrous T&F".

The medium the two communicate between could be thought of as the fifth, four components and the fifth as if a host like gravity maybe to a magnetic pole. Now we have 1, 2, 3, 4, and a scaffold ,like a platform for a circuit, of four ,and of six part. P and J remind me of the wondering mind of man standing on the earth and wondering.



….… S -- N




T -- F




It is difficult to illustrate the a diagram so to invasion it correctly as a Fig. Imagine a magnet with two ends much like a real magnet,. and the space between the four symbols S -- N & T -- F as the fifth Dot or as a Neutral with in the multiplicity play between S, N, T, and F ,. and two others , an other mechanism that works in unison with the Principle Of Unification, Ambidextrous S and N,. Ambidextrous T and F. Witch I strongly suspect work in unison with the Earths Magnetic Pole. I do not won't to press to strongly the the conceptual Idea but as I reflect I recall that Primal Brain and spine have a Instinctual binary relation ship. The Human body runs on electricity plasma and acids we at lest the brain, and there seems to be a charge of extra gravity produced that ceases to be ale to measure when a person dies, the form weighs less a minute percentage less.

Hear we see points nine and one & six and five hosting the function of the Principle of Unification. And point three doing its thing with P and J ..at the same injunction as point three orders its influence upon the control of awareness to all three triangles.. E.g. ,As a nine ,for me ,that can be a sloth based intake of narrative and information processing ..and a dampening down of recognition of the triangles play within selfs own personality and cognitive activity. It seems to me that type nine selectively compartmentalises the use and misuse of theses functions presented in these following Figs.

In my Fig. drawing,. I have simply signified the line representing the principal of unification between, ambidextrous S and N, & ambidextrous T and F, Between ambidextrous T and F at Point:5 though the central Point of the enneagram and up to between Points:9 and 1. Doing this on an out lay of the nine points and eighteen subtypes gives the circle of the enneagram an earth like appearance with an impression of the earths magnetic pole at is relative angel,. an interesting coincidence much like the moon eclipse the sun and the ratios difference in distance from Moon to Earth and Earth and Moon to Sun and Relative size difference between the Sum and Moon , Earth and Moon , Earth Moon and Sun. I like to view these interesting things as posable clues.



……….… S -- N




T -- F …………..… P -- J




There are sutler depts to these simple Fig. E.g. in this symbol mechanism for the value four connecting to the six pointed Fig.

Points: 1, 2, 4, 5, maybe thought to be active. Locate the Points: 1, 2, 4, 5, as if they were placed in there positions on the diagram.


.…….……..9: Points


..……….… 0


.... 6 .….….…...


..and also within another action ,Points: 6, 7, 8, 9 (I believe these four points hosting eight subtypes ,relay directly a reaction stemming from the eight master genes ,with in the human condition).

..Points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, may link with RNA & DNA.

When observing generally the eight subtypes located at Points: 6, 7, 8, 9 they seem to have a slitty different comfort and orientation within there own skin that is slightly different to the ten subtypes located at Points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 that operate on the other side of the principle of unification. As if there was a divide between the two sets grouped points groupings. I think there is mechanism at work and a direct observable differentiation is note-able. A posable question for psycho-neuro-immunologists to explore.

And with the six points 1, 2, 4, 5, & 7, & 8 Point three is missing , Point three is the catalyst I be leave, But what role it is exactly playing I am un shore. Point three has been linked to matter and mechanical shock and spatial cognition ,in the book, The Intelligent Enneagram -Author; A.G.E Black. Perhaps Mr Black maybe able to clarify what is at work with in the context of these differences presented above. Points: 6, 7, 8, 9 , Points: 1, 2, 4, 5 , the eight subtypes located at Points: 6, 7, 8, 9 , the ten subtypes located at Points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and Point Three As A Catalyst Component within a working mechanism involving these component sets.


It is interesting to think about point three, and type three, with there inner difficulties, and innate stresses and tolerances, and what maybe taking place.

P & J at Point:3 maybe closely linked to psychoneuroimmunology as point three seems to be at the mid point between: 7 ,6 ,5 ,4 ,&, 2, 1, 9, 8 ..and the principle of unification from the out side but not alien to or separate from. A.G.E Black's diagrams are helpful for manifesting a scope for reflecting upon this curious puzzle.

Perhaps the difference is an orientation difference, a personal orientation difference,. between the two sets: (the eight subtypes located at Points: 6, 7, 8, 9) and (the ten subtypes located at Points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5). This characteristic observation I have made, is best not clouded by the influences of the three triangles and the six instincts. Because what the three triangles and the six instincts bring to the Action of play levels out the differences that can be distinguished between the two sets. As If one set is disadvantaged by a sensitivity and the other set is advantaged by a direct influence of a dynamic mechanistic trait. And the reverse could be sighted that it's and advantage also to be under empowered as to be blissfully unaware of an empowering orientation difference, perceived advantage.

Personally, I do not think one sets state, as a train differentiation, has an over all advantaged greater than the other set state, in this modern age. Because the Instincts give extend empowering characteristics and traits that balance the deficit and gains from being either of one, or the other, Set.

If you have read some of my posts between now and early last year or so,. you may recall my model relating points: 6, 7, 8, 9 as having a connection more closely with the minds tactile phycology or tactile physiology, a comfortable familiarity ..and the eight master genes within each human cell, of the Bodies Container ,as phisical form. This maybe a presentable way of bridging the difference between the two sets. A slide fundamental difference in the experiencing of Self ,self experiencing self within the selfs own skin. An emotional ability that differs in different ways, between people of the same set and the opposing set who may have the same instinctual drives or differing instinctual drives.

It is a difficult dynamic to explain, so I return to back to the basics. But one contrasting example could be seen in the current crisis between Russia and the West, over a land steel or land repossession, CRIMEA a disputed territory between Ukraine and Russia.

At the bart of hart of the argument could be found two different types of bullying. The smart technology enervative thinking contemporary West and the stoic conservative brawn lead thinking of the traditional East.

It is a tricky argument, and an argument that would complex the thinking of a type:3 personality, that was not influenced by an alliance to the politics of ether sides influential form of deceit. Two Sets Two Views Two Road Maps. We all utilise point three within our own decision making and the view from point three can have many views clarified and distorted by traits and characteristics of all nine points and working dynamics of the enneagram. That is why I think it is a sutler dynamic that is easterly over looked because it is directly linked to our nature at the symbiotic level. It could be looked a pion as our social Achilles heal ,venerable to the persuasions of the Parent and Adult components of our innate phycology.



P and J at point three I think of as belonging too the two Triangles the Explicate-ordered triangles. The: 8 - 2 - 5 triangle and the: 7 - 1 - 4 triangle. Two of the three triangles. That maybe helpful of those at present who are thinking about the nuances of the two type thee subtypes energies 3w2 & 3w4 all persons have a relation ship with these two of eighteen Subtype Notes/Energies ..Personality Types.


So now we can examine these Figs. and Ideas and recognise:

4 _for four parts: S, N, T, F

5 _for five parts: S, N, T, F and Central Sheared Space Between,. the Dot the Fifth.

6 _for six parts: S, N, T, F and P, J. ( ..could that have something to do with: ,,, ,.. ,,. .., .,, … An Attitudinal Instinctive Accent, A Language Code, as if every point has two Notes, an inner and outer or left and right wall unto its vibrational field. Or as if every energy is a Note or part note or part of a, Note/ Co Communicating Cord.


The primary triangle is interesting and it can remind me of many things like a "Y" and an "X" that can menu access perhaps all dimensions privy to its actions with in the: Action , Greater Nature , Of Greater Nature.

( like a "Y" and an abstract "X" )


"Y" = Intuit / Area

…….. Experience


"X" = Intuit / Think


..….. Feel ... Sense


or

"Y" = Intuit / Area ("objective reality")

…….. Experience ("Phenomenological")


"X" = Intuit / Think ("Impersonal - Personal")


..….. Feel ... Sense ("Response - Reaction") "perhaps"


When I start to think about how metaphysically switches of mind may operate in real time, I can find my self bring to make sense of two woulds, the large and the small, brain chemistry, and string theory. I tend to imagine the link between the two as being the role of Plasm, the plasm within the spinal cord system that connects and continues though the brain. This may sound silly, but I invasion a system therein The Strings of M Theory, operate from within the Plasma and influence the brains electrical activity and nurd chemical fluctuating activity. I all so think of a third component being the magnetic field emanating from the electrical activity and the hart and the bodies over all electrical activity. But I have no expertise in any science that may explain the working of Hu man physiology. But I enjoy wondering about these type of things as possibilities.

E.g. -In a sense a reacting and responding personality, could be like an open String, tension asserted from assorted points on the string would produce a different Song between communicating Strings or Personalities, or each of the six points from the six pointed Fig may relay through the three Primary Points as if the as a closed String.

But how could Six Strings be One String with a multiplicity of Notes.

Perhaps it can not be or perhaps Three Differing Strings Cluster in an organised dance constantly changing nodes connections between the three.

Perhaps in a muti-dimentional field of quantum space ,all three possibilities take place , the components cross from field to field as scale is a complex mechanism and components transform and retransform as if being exercised by the mechanism that has many dimensions one being the explicit physical detention of the primary needs of the end of the scale that Big things consist within.

Anyway thats enough philosophy by me, I am shore you the reader, are able to manifest many posable interesting Ideas of your own. but I am hoping I have helped to stimulate your boundaries of how you may perceive the working of the enneagram, man, mind, and the Universe As Host.



I came across this old post today, and thought it maybe an interesting read to cap this portion of the the topic post..

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Time Space and Creation as three parts
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:29 pm
Recently I received an email invitation to view a Would Science U: Live Discussion with Professor Brain Greene,. it seems to be a platform for laypersons with an interest in cosmology to learn about some of the basics in a simple explanation process way of learning, with out having to learn and develop an innate ability to understand and visualise the extremely complex language of advanced math.

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Anyway, I sat back and viewed the discussion and at the end it got me scratching my head, because at one level the mechanical machine level that was said about Time be influenced by gravity seems perfectly correct and at the same time from a other perspective seems incorrect.

I finished watching the episode excited or happy that someone had made there time available to explain interesting things,. and also with...a puzzle on my mind that partly left me thinking that there maybe a error in the context of the standard theory something I would not protest to loudly about ,because I do not won't to end up in a strait jacket in a psychiatric hospital, suspected of suffering crack psychosis.

So I left a comment and hammered wedged under my front door and lined the walls with al foil and hid in the cubed for several hours until I realised that all I needed to do way switch my house numbers on my letter box with my next door nab ours letter box numbers and I would be untraceable..

Thanks Professor Greene, that was interesting. One of my resent thoughts is along the lines of Brains theory, that the Universe or cosmos is a Membranes, And That the Universe or Cosmos, is like a living entity, and that it may has a life cycle,.. two membranes are attracted together ( like spawning coral ) ,. two membrane with attracting compatible, Vibrations- metaphorical DMA - cosmic soup of microwaves ,. attract, to reproduce. Manifesting: A BIG BANG ,and the cosmic begins another life cycle evolving its evolution continues in an seemingly endless evolutionary life cycle. Perhaps not a new Idea but that is where my resigning has lead me, in my curiosity for understanding….As to that maybe taking place. One other thing that got me screeching my head was the subject matter in the talk about time. Time being different speeds depending upon the influences of Gravity. Something do snot sit right with me in this synopsis that time moves differently within the mechanical mechanism of a traveling clock through space or if I am near a Black Hole reading a book or watching a pole dancer performance at my favourite pub. Reason in my mind suggests that mechanical time / a machine recorded timing mechanism, and experiential perceptual time maybe two different things that have possibly differing influencing scale factors. It will be a difficult concept to convey in a short paragraph but what if, ,Time, ,is the domain of a third Implicate. A third Implicate being...in in two states in an object, physical sense,. the space between Surrounding Membranes within the Outer of the Cosmo beyond the Membrane we may be part of , as Hosting environment for primary experience, Life,. and possibly the third Implicate space between - within the space of the membrane. In this model: Dark Energy is represented by the symbol "A", Dark Matter is represented by the symbol "B", and that what is created is is represented by the symbol "C". "C" maybe thought of as a third implicate.Two membranes that have collided manifesting a Big Bang & an Inner Universe and C maybe also thought of as the outer; that what is that is not a membrane. C has two values in this model. C is the coin that has two sides: A & B and a Time that relates to its implicate scales of activities and the Time outside of the membranes activities is an other form of C. So now we have A & B of C and A&B and C . "C" in a sense is a space that exists both inside and out side of the membrane with two states of active receptive participatory activity as a Hosting Medium,. so to say. "C" ,could be perhaps viewed as likened to being the higgs boson fluid, a fluid that relates relatively within Creation as a form frame work, a host frame work, for: C ,Creations Activities., that witch Hosts from out side the membrane. For Greater Nature/Host,. Membranes maybe likened to component body parts , (cells), hosting a form of life force for Host, being Grater Nature.. If, A Greater Nature with Two States, as Being & and as a Surrounding Body. The Body Membrane, is possibly a Creation Of Hosts ,experienced as observed ,and as witnessed as tangible. C therefore has two states that are like the A & B of C from within and from afar manifesting an experiential Context For Greater Nature as observer observed experience A&B and as Creator "C" facilitator. Beginning with the end in mind to ensure to perpetuate its purpose as an evolving force,. A Conches Logic Based tangible Phenomenology. And as a theme of evolution,. as I have suggested, mirrored within the basic business of the Greater Cosmo the primary business of, ,Time, ,may not be solely viewed as linked to gravity and entropy Time maybe a tangible as both a constant and as a multiplicity of scales relative to the physiques of physics so to say, of the makeup of the body cosmos. So what I am trying to say is that Human mind and our lake of metaphysical understanding of the minds operational structure maybe limiting or scope for understanding the greater cosmos. Time may work in both both directions for Part C and all directions for Parts A & B of C. Thinking may experience time as a strait line and Intuition may perceive the Area of Time slightly differently. We to may have more than one way of relating within time to time. Enneagram Institute, Avatar: rockthrower., Enneagram Explorations, Avatar: Kitchen Fly. If you like my Ideas then you may like some of my Posts on these two web sites.


One of the thoughts that has been itching on my mind after the thinking a bout the talk I thought had nothing to do with the Idea about time was that the points on rather side of the type point maybe a part of an Instinctive triytype ,. e.g. I as a 9 have 8 & 1 each side and like all point types, that means I have a connection with all three triangles from the type point and the two adjacent type points.

..and I am trying to understand two things one thing is other than via the 3 to 6 to 9 Gurdjieff model of accelerating to three force conciseness of an experience of Holy Love how does each type gain and hold this pattern. I suspect that Holy Love is a phenomenon of the instincts operating in unison un fettered by the solitary actions of individual type points. But not alien to viewing the individual type point actions and participatory roles within direct cognition. And the other thing I am trying to understand is the sets of all the sets of mechanism actions and there co connecting activities. Is there a language like a set of rules math like or music like structure of mechanistic action rules and if so what are they.

These rules if they exist are most likely well graded by tosser's like HB and other enneagram elitists who be leave that the wealth of enneagram knowledge is only for those God has empower to understand the complex language of understanding like the complex language of understating needed to understand physics. But any way I am shore every one knows how much I hate the elite of the enneagram hierarchy who take great pride in berrying simple to understand knowledge in an intentional labyrinth of complexity, so as to poke and pose other and feel good as a red rope red carpet separate special little group of intelligently to be admired and parsed as Demi gods who are so much further along the hallowed path of self deception that copies the mind of those who aspire to gain a living experience of Hole Love but who are unable to generate and sustain such an experience.

"Ar that feels so good.."

Anyway back to the point of the post, mans perception of time maybe different holistically that the totality of times true operation. I am thinking that no time in the sense that C and C within A&B maybe four operations of time as a single operation of time. A and B of C could be three 1/3's as Time Space and Creation ,as three parts serving C the Body of space beyond the Membrane of the cosmos we are hosted within.

So my simple thought is, past present and future,. maybe running simultaneously and that that same time maybe The Action Of C the Body of space beyond the Membrane of the cosmos we are hosted within. The fourth Part I think of as a linear action and that is the like ness of created created understanding the creator and created. A symbiotic action between C and C via A & B and the A and B and C of our self conches nature.

No time would be the two thirds of C and Time in its mechanical scales would be the 1/3 of Time Space and Creation as three parts that all that we know and are truly swear of with in our cosmos.

Our Membrane maybe the third implicate and our relation ship with A & B maybe the paradoxical catalyst that generates a realm where in the third implicate is beyond out side of our grasp , separate.


I am thinking that there is much more to these simple diagrams and that they very much relate to the subject matter of this topic post. But I am still trying to understand 4 & 5 , 54 & 45 and how these values could operate within such a concept as a primary base. Maybe it has something to do with non prime and prime numbers, I do not know enough about math to say anything about wether it has any thing to do with prime numbers or not,. prime numbers non prime numbers Dark Matter Dark Energy,. its all a big puzzle in my mind.





……...… area




……. experience …….







..……...… ( 4 )






5 ……. experience ……. 5









...… Intuit / Think





Feel ..……….…… Sense











The following is an , Abstract Idea relating to A, B, & C and C










0 ..……….…… 0





....… 4 / 4





5 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 4





5 ..……….…… 4





....… 4 / 5





4 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 5






4 ..……….…… 4





....… 0 / 0








Note that there can be viewed, nine parts, and if viewed as a loop , Ten Parts.



It begins with one C and ends with one C both C's maybe the same C but in two separate states as a state. "No time" as an injunction for all scales of time. so to say.






....… 0 / 0





0 ..……….…… 0






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Re: Time Space and Creation as three parts
by Kitchen Fly » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:54 pm
So no one can think out side of the square. I have spoon fead you so many clues. I think I am wasting my time. If no one is going to take a chance and lateral think ,then I am not going to bother posting the obvious that is before you on this topic page.







0 ..……….…… 0





....… 4 / 4





5 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 4





5 ..……….…… 4





....… 4 / 5





4 ..……….…… 5





....… 5 / 5






4 ..……….…… 4





....… 0 / 0




Enneagram, Instincts, Psychosynthesis
by Kitchen Fly » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:58 pm
Hi every one, I would like to start a topic/ conversation to expire with others a subject that has recently become an interest for me. The Instincts, and Psychosynthesis.

Some of you may know me from the enneagram institute chat boards where I posted for some time until Honey Bee exercise political power and had me permanently evicted. Witch is Ok by me.

I enjoy following my own lines of enquiry and am happy to shear most Ideas and concepts all though I do with hold small amounts of bridging information.

I have pore spelling but it seems this board has an excellent spell checker. I have what is called Dyslexia and it will be a key to understanding many of my thought processes and the underling Logic of this body of work I am intending to shear and discuss on this topic thread.

Recently while looking for images relating to Psychosynthesis, I found this blog. I have not studied the Types but looked at the symbols and interpreter two as being So/sp & So/sx.

http://marasartofbeing.blogspot.com.au/ ... mbols.html

I posted this as a response to the Blog.

What do these symbols mean ?



Well that is an interesting Question.

I found myself at this injunction researching an Idea that Psychosynthesis has a structure that is a living mechanism. A mechanism that traverses scales,. as if the mind is geared to understand … interconnection/ interconnections, within The Fabric Of Space " Fractal Fabric" universal space ,organic space ,cosmic volume space within and beyond our host cosmos as a membrane.

To cut a long explanation into a simple bite size explainable explanation,. the mechanism of Host,. let us start with Solar System as or universal host, The Solar System and Mind .. most likely are interconnected and never separated from the Host Of Greater Nature's ABSOLUTE And UNIVERSE.

Geometry ,a play of math like Mechanistic Action and .. language / symbols / and a fixed Math,. a math that co operates with in the implicate of the third implicate as to also with ,the explicate. plus not being separate from the workings of the Enneagram ..as a template for man's mind's cognitive mechanical actions.

In a short time, I can see structure leading from ,the three triads / Id Ego Super Ego / and the three instincts ( SX , SOC , SP ) and the six instincts.

Psychosynthesis may not be solely a loose structure it may all so be a universal action " loosely speaking" ,. like a universal joint between severn points and six screens between the central point and six evenly placed dots central dot and screen. As like the six point symbol of the enneagram with a point at its centre. Symbolic of The Absolute and Self as a force of Presence, Self aware conches Presence. No being separate from Greater Natures - Fixed Design.

The play of four and five seem to be easy to see as a starting primary base action. if the centre point of the nine points is not perceived vier the graced state synonymous as Being The Experienced "..Holy Love."

Much Geometry to decipher and those the sets maybe helpful. The Creative Type & The Developmental Idealistic Type,. may be or correlate to the ( The Creative Type - So/Sx & The Developmental Idealistic Type - So/Sp ).

I assume the, the other four symbols will relate to the other four Instinctive variants; Sp/so , Sp/sx , Sx/Sp and Sx/so.

There are some interesting depths to those six symbols. The inner and outer circle seem to in part be, representative of - The UNIVERSE.

Thank you for posting the two Typology Symbols.

I assume there must be six typologies to accompany the six symbols.

Any way,. I will follow my track of hunting geometrical patterns that works in unison with Mechanistic Action that can be described within mans understandings of mind .. minds structure.

I will add one thing, the three instincts: social, sell preservation and sexual or one to one, with in a context of six screens and three instincts, is to be understood as three views of operation from gut/ hart/ head from my conversation perspective,. as liked to:

- gut = un conches = SX
- hart = sub conches = SOC
- head = conches = SP

Non duel conches ness or the third implicate, would in my model, be the centre dot with a bull view utilising the six dots, each of the six screens, a two sided multiplicity with the third implicit being the centre. ( Each Soul, in this hypotheses would have 12 elemental view perspectives to manifest clear view of and vier Holy Love/ Level one of the Levels Of Development) 3 time 4 = 12 Laws Three and Four manifesting Law: Severn, Micro macro macro micro - strings and the chemistry so to say, of big things) At this point if you have an understanding of Dyslexia, you may see how I conceptually formulated this observational impression of Activity Mind Activity at an Instinctive Level. And I would sagest that a health cognitive operation involving Dyslexia, the positive catalyst components of Dyslexia maybe part of Level One and Non duel conches ness. See the view or a perspective view from both sides of subject in view as if comprehending the view from the opacity of both views, Side A and B of C or Centre and defused from the totality of the complete basic severn of nine dots. Fully swear and partially aware. ( the other two components I will talk about later, but if you invasion the Hexagon at the hart of the model as being made in part of two overlapping triangles spaced evenly to create six evenly spaced corners with a Hexagon at its centre and One primary Dot at the very Centre. with the very Centre Dot being the centre dot of three dots perpendicular to the six dot and Hexagon,. One of the three dots completing one triangle into a pyramid shape and on the other side the other triangle into an other pyramid shape.

For the mathematical minded I will shear these two sums that I be leave are a starting point for a math that relates to this mechanism and my Principal of Unification for those who have viewed my table of correlations.

A work in progress but those two sets of six sixes I link to the six dots, and all the other numbers are able to be worked into a logical number pattern,. the decimal point by may rule of play has a third implicate like function and this means it can have a number value that can be worked within the number pattern .. and two the the other two dots with in the logic of the rules of play make it posable for a full complete balanced number pattern.

( 56 divided by 12 = 4.6666667 & 56 divided by 21 = 2.6666667 ) starting point for a mechanism

Good luck with the puzzle , I will post the number play action in the near future after I finish looking at other number sums I have recorder over the years like theres two sums.



Each screen being a mask , the Hexagon being a geometrical mechanism. And the six outer dot representing:

-Sensation
-Emotion Feeling
-Impulse Desire
-Imagination
-Thought
-Intuition


If Sensation is one dot and the screen between Sensation as (dot) ,and the centre dot, the screen is one of three instincts, un conches, sub conches, conches.

Imagination and thought would be seen though the eyes of the sub conches and conches if the Sensation as (dot) was the screen un conches.

To in vision this concept, the self is like mind as brain (un conches) in this example and the left and right eye metaphorically are as the view from the sub conches and conches or Soc and Sp.

Two triangles and a centre the Hole Self Actualised at Level one or the levels of development (1-9).

One line going to each -Imagination and -Thought
from Sensation as (dot) pass though two screens and the Sensation screen as a multiplicity connect with the other triangle.

The full workings are as yet unclear, but the attitude of thought on the opposite side seems to be a false use of the central dot and seems to be used as a form of will to bolster a view of the utilised screen .. Intuition biasing in favour for Sensation.

In this model the screen becomes the Self operating at a deficit and fluctuating between the six screens as six variant mechanism.

three multiplied by six equals 18 and at the same time within an other mechanical operation Authentic HigherSelf as centre can be still viewed as the third implicate if both sides of the same screen are seen as two components of a three component mechanism. Self the centre dot as reconciliation and the Screen as cause and effect a two sided screen, one side reflected from an opposing point opposite, as a narrative of the Self Being un conches in active awareness to the phenomenon of Holy Love Being generated from the equal utilisation of the all six screens.

For this to make geometrical sense there must be three values recognised , the Hexagon corners as 6 parts and the six dots as six parts and the centre as six parts the parts being six concentrations mirrored from both the six dots and the six screens in unison.

There are other mechanical orders I see in the psychodrama of peoples utilisation of the six components:

-Sensation
-Emotion Feeling
-Impulse Desire
-Imagination
-Thought
-Intuition

But to keep it short I stuck to the primary basics that I suspect to be real patterns within the dynamical working of the Psychosynthesis model that I am understanding to be the phenomenon I an understanding Psychosynthesis to be with in the Human condition.

Mark Anthony Rockliff

9 , 9w1, sx/sp/so , 9w8 5w6 4w5 , 936 963 396 ,
1221 -D type , INFP. "Fire House" 1966

This was with my records of posts posted in the past, it is interesting so I included it to.

Professor Brian Greene
The amount of it is bizarre. It's a number that has basically a decimal point, 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end. It's hard for us to imagine starting with a theory, doing calculations, and, after some number of pages of scribbling, having .000... All these zeros and then a one pop out of our equations.


Now lets see if I can annoy all my good friends who will not help me.

A decimal point, 122 zeros and something like a 138 at the end.

eight master genes
three law ten's and law three
one hundred and eight, 108 divided by 18 = 6 and divided by 9 = 16

The table chart for the higgs boson field has, six quarts and six leptons and four gauge bosons equaling sixteen components.

122 + 3 = 125 placings from the decimal point.

Decimal point as the Higgs Boson?

1+2+2+3+1+2+5 = 16


And this one but the context may be a bit slippery it was from a fluid moment in the past.


Edited by - rockthrower on 06 Oct 2013 1:10:48 PM



.........…... Good
.........…….. (9)

...….... "vibrations"

Good (6) ........... (3) Good





Thanks for bringing this back to mind, that was old terrain "vibrations" "six strings"

Ar yer: 15 , 9 , and 12 thats right: 18

..6 and 9 =15, 6 and 3 =9, 9 and 3 =12, 9+6+3=18

15 and 12

5+1=6
1+2=3

6, 3, 9

15 , 12 = 7
1+1+9 = 11


11-7= 4

7+4 = 11


Ar yer, six strings, 11 dots

That's right 4 four connecting dots six lots of four connecting dots within 11 Dots.

I will have to post one day my sequentual-moving-enneagram symbol off "X" amount of parts.


One day, now is not the time. Thanks for the memories. and the The significance of 153

3 time 50 = 150 and three , a triangle my thoughts are the fourth triangle. The three 50"s are like three squares of five dots.

five law tens three central points within the three squares reminds me to think of a fourth triangle.



So can you see the structure dnimon, my new apprentice, and the gap between 5+1 & 54, it only requires 3.

51+3 =54

54 + 54 +45 =153

So the symbol of the Absolute can not be to far from view.

Lets honour our friend Black Lamp and his value: 9, as nine triangles.

45 + 45 = 90 + 9 = 99 + 54 = 153 ,I think that is correct, yes the math is good: 153 it is.

Thanks Black Lamp 

45 + 45 = 90 + 9 = 99 + 54 = 153
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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:34 pm

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Psyche / Space // The Void ..as a - Tri-Action
by Kitchen Fly » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:44 pm
In vision a line passing from the symbol / between Points: 9 & 1 ,though the 0 and through to connect at the symbol / ..at point:5. This Line is labeled: HOLY LOVE

Fig. 1


………………………………………... HOLY LOVE

………………………………9 .………… /
…………………………………… ……………………
…..…… 8 ……………….………………………... 1
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..………………………………… …………………………………..
7 .……………………………………………………………… 2
..………………………………… …………………………………….
..……………………………. 0 …………………………………..
.…….…………………………… ……………………………………
.…….…………………………… ………………………………….
....6 .………………………………………………………. 3
..………………………………… ……………………………
…..……………………………… ……………………….
..………………………………… ……………………
.…………………. 5 …………….……… 4
…..…………….. /…. ….

………... HOLY LOVE

…………………………………………………………...… "THE VOID"




Next,. In vision a line passing from zero at Point:9 around the circle ,though each point of the symbol
,and intuit the area boundary between the inner circle and the outer circle as the Label: Innocent.

Finally I label the third:Space at the centre of the circle: 0 as Space,. Being-space. The Selfs ,own core space.

Holy Love Is apart of the space out side of self focus of attention and I label this space: The Void.



Psyche / Space // The Void,

Shame / Guilt / and / Innocence.


Shame, Guilt, Innocence are...very powerful focuses of attention. And as a Triple-tri-action,. we only need to,in vision the three triangles
as an overlay on the enneagram symbol. Each corner of the three triangles placed correctly at there appropriate point placing:

( - 3 - 6 - 9 - ,, - 4 - 1 - 7 - ,,, - 4 - 8 - 2 - )


But the mechanism within its workings complexity, I suggest is shaped slightly different,. Innocence remains a part component of: Fig. 1


It is to tricky to do a dot drawing with triangles, ...simply in vision the three triangles as an overlay on the enneagram symbol with out the,
traditional inner lines connecting to make the six point Fig.

Label this drawing as Fig. 2


Next we need a third drawing basically the same as Fig. 1



Fig. 1


…………………………………………... HOLY LOVE

…………………………………9 ………… /
…………………………………… ……………………
…..…… 8 ………………….………………………... 1
..………………………………… ………………………………
…..……………………………… …………………………….……
..………………………………… …………………………………..
7 …………………………………………………………………… 2
..………………………………… …………………………………….
.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..
.…….…………………………… ……………………………………
.…….…………………………… ………………………………….
..6 ……………………………… ……………………………. 3
..………………………………… ……………………………
…..……………………………… ……………………….
..………………………………… ……………………
..…………………. 5 ………… ….……… 4
…..…………….. /…. ….

………... HOLY LOVE

…………………………………………………………...… "THE VOID"





In this new third drawing we will add a triangle between points: three - nine - six and label the triangle
that we normally, may refer to as the triangle connecting the primary types.
When differentiating this triangle as Being Inner Sense or Innocence. And if we think of it as Being Inner Sense then we could,
draw three lines from points three six and nine to wards and connecting to the Centre Circle and label those lines connect as: Innocence.



..……………………………………... Shame / Guilt

…………………………………9 ………… /
…………………………………… ……………………
…..…… 8 ………………….………………………... 1
..………………………………… ………………………………
…..……………………………… …………………………….……
..………………………………… …………………………………..
7 …………………………………………………………………… 2
..………………………………… …………………………………….
.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..
.…….…………………………… ……………………………………
.…….…………………………… ………………………………….
..6 ……………………………… ……………………………. 3
..………………………………… ……………………………
…..……………………………… ……………………….
..………………………………… ……………………
..…………………. 5 ………… ….……… 4
…..…………….. /…. ….

.……... Guilt / Same

…………………………………………………………...… "THE VOID"



Note:
- Shame is active at Point:6 and reaching as a one of a two part multiplicity around the portion of the circle between points: 6, 7, 8, to connect with Point:9
- Guilt is active at Point:5 and reaching as a one of a two part multiplicity around the portion of the circle between points: 5, 4, 3, 2, to connect with Point:1

- Shame is active at Point:9 and reaching as a one of a two part multiplicity around the portion of the circle between points: 9, 8, 7, to connect with Point:6
- Guilt is active at Point:1 and reaching as a one of a two part multiplicity around the portion of the circle between points: 1, 2, 3, 4, to connect with Point:5


..and so we have six components:

-The Void
-Hole Love
-Space
-Innocence
-Shame
-Guilt



A tritype has three values, one value from each triad.
Could these six values,. these six labels as values connect with the standard system of tritype?

It is easy days and much teasing out must still be done to successfully reveal scaffolding that is real.

My curiosity has me thinking there are many Tri-Action:

- 936
- 369 396 936

The difference between these two tritype systems one real one being explored as to whether is is a true model,
It that one system it attempting to integrate six new variants as measurements.

Is it posable to build a model that has nine tangible measurement components?

Well as tangible as science can accurately formulate and measure.

It is a tricky Idea,. A Big Idea.



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Re: Psyche / Space // The Void ..as a - Tri-Action
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:02 am
It most likely is not a sexy topic ,and perhaps for may an uncomfortable awareness,. The subject: Psyche / Space // The Void, and ,.Shame / Guilt / and / Innocence.

Shame Guilt and Innocence. Would be easy to place at the three points of the Primary three six nine triangle. And it would be correctly placed. But three into three reminds us that all three, :Shame Guilt and Innocence, belong at all points and stations in the Logos,. but it is at the logos level i envision that they are a natural RESPONSE REACTION NEGATION ,as intersect. Psyche Space "and , the" The Void,. are as if a mirror but in and of a, Differentiation of a unit power,. scales,. innter-differentiateing scale : Two Scales. Differential omnipresent Scale.



3 into 3 : in all eight triangles if the pattern of the geometrical shape is two cross sectional areas consisting two of four sided pyramids joining at a six point, Actions. The six pointed Fig.

The rearming three Dots locate at two extremes being the outer corners of the two four cornered pyramids ,the remaining single Dot is at the centre of the circle & the centre of the six point Fig.




....0......…0

..0..... 0 ...…0

…...0 .....0



I am tempted to think of it,..as, a seven pointed Fig.

At this point,. I need to shear my perspective belief. I see all as being,. of the Void and that of, Creation, is as, ..creation...A fluxion Within ,in and of The Void. As long as the void is infinite ,meaning that the Void if it is within the constitution of the Cosmos then The Void, is all so within a void.

That void could be both smaller and larger, there for the void can only be measured as an observable scale, the void lives within all all lives within scale. Therefor I resin that the objective universe is a form of void: Dense Void. Mass and Energy and, and , so on.

But to keep it simple the scaffold is of the: Void ,A Scale Of Creation.Voids Scale: Of,..,CREATION.

As you may have worked out I impression two sides of a bifurcation as two voids and the bifurcation between, as a third implicate A Scale and ,all so a void. A Hole Part,. Of The Same Scale Being Of The Void. A Matrix ,A Scale.





.…………………………………9…………


…..……8…………………..…………………………1



7 ..………………………………………………………………. 2


.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..


..6 ……………………………………………………………. 3



.…………………. 5 …………….……… 4



I think the id Points: 9, 4, 5 , the ego Points: 3, 7, 8 , the supper ego Points: 6, 1, 2 , are part of a play,. a four point there part play,. meaning the three primary points: 3, 6, 9 ,have a interconnection with each other 3, 6, 9, and the centre component part, and also the corresponding counter parts 7 and 8 for (3) , 1 and 2 for (6) , 5 and 4 for (9).

E.g. - Three connects with nine and six and seven and eight. (one of three connects with four parts.



I think these are important components to record if I am to do a table the 36 that relate to: Intuit,. Think, Sense, Feel. and ..Intuits.


I am not interested linking with the:

- Higher Mental Center
- Higher Emotional Center
- Intellectual Center
- Emotional Center
- Moving Center
- Instinctive Center
- Sex Center


…I leave that' ,.for those who specialise in,. ,The knowledge-Forum I have very little knowledge of.


I will continue to think about and within, the context of my field of interest:

- The Void
- Hole Love
- Space
- Innocence
- Shame
- Guilt


I hoped you found interesting your experience, of reading my post. And if you have a question or a comment you would care to post,. please feel free to do so.



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Re: Psyche / Space // The Void ..as a - Tri-Action
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:17 pm
In vision a line passing from the symbol / between Points: 9 & 1 ,though the 0 and through to connect at the symbol / ..at point:5. This Line is labeled the Principle of Unification and in this diagram: HOLY LOVE. One interesting observation is to note from the persecutive of point:5 there are four points going each way,. 6, 7, 8, 9 & 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. This may prove to be a mechanism component that relates to the 72 secondary types ,component -workings.


Fig. 1


……………………………... Principle Of Unification

………………………………9 .……… /
…………………………………… ……………………
..…..…… 8 ………….………………………... 1
..………………………………… ………………………………
…..……………………………… …………………………….……
..………………………………… …………………………………..
..7 ..……………………………………………………… 2
..………………………………… …………………………………….
.……………………………. 0 …………………………………..
.…….…………………………… ……………………………………
.…….…………………………… ………………………………….
.....6 …………………………………………………. 3
..………………………………… ……………………………
…..……………………………… ……………………….
..………………………………… ……………………
………………. 5 .…………….……… 4
.…………….. /…. ….

.. Principle Of Unification

…………………………………………………………...… "THE VOID"





It is early days for me ,and I suspect all these things maybe all ready understood. But it intrigues me , who do the differences between the primary types and the secondary types operate.

These things may have already been explained in the technical books that talk about the enneagram that I can not make heads or tails of. So,. i need to work it out my own way ,to the best of my ability, making sense of it by applying what understandings I have of the universally understood workings of the enneagram and my own Ideas and beliefs.

I am looking for basic patterns of structure that apply to all eighteen sub types , but at the same time i looking for sutler differences between the eighteen sub types, that enable insight, as-to the operations of the Instincts and other working components of the enneagram.

Because I am an Id type, and try-fix is,. 9w8 , 5w6 , 4w5 ,I am going to concentrate on Point:5 and Point:4 as my starting points.

The point:5 component seems to work well with the point:4 component and when two subtypes that overlap each other as the 5w4 works with a 4w5 all point of the enneagram seem to be utilised within the an intellectual collaboration between these two subtypes if they so chose to collaborate as a working team.

Both Points:4 and Point:5 are Id points and "one to one points" and hold enough tension or separation from point nine to propel them to seek clarity in scope of understanding, that can lead to profound insights and understandings, not all ways clearly understood by all persons, all eighteen types. The power of collaboration is strong. And most who have been touched by Russ Hudson and Don Riso collaborative work may find these diagrams Figs. helpful.




………..………………. Russ Hudson


…………………………………9

…..…… So ………………..…………………………1 Sp



7 So ………………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..


..6……………………………………………………………. 3
………………………………………………..………………. Ego



.…………………. 5 Sx …………….………Sx







...…………………………..Don Riso


…………………………………9

…..……8 So………………..…………………………Sp



7 So ……………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..


..6 ……………………………………………………………. 3
...Supper Ego


..………………….Sx…………….……… 4 Sx





You can see that I have broken these two examples in to three parts. And your fist impression maybe to think that I have disregarded the rules and replaced one understanding with another in its place.

But I invite you to examine and consider this to be another layer that exists with , the standard models that enable us to codify, Russ Hudson's and the late; Don Richard Riso's, enneagram fluctuations and stable personality functions as two distinctive types who utilised, to the best of there abilities, all nine points of the enneagram.

There is much more to be spoken, but some times less is more,. when thinking about some thing new, from a fresh. So I will simply encourage the reader to generate there own thoughts and examine it with there own curiosity.


And as four parts.
This Fig. Reminds me of a 2D to 3D picture.
Once you have ordered correctly in your mind the labeled peaces
in the correct logical order the mechanism becomes visible, clearly understood.

It is a puzzle worth ordering for its insightful paradynamic view as: mechanism.






………..………………. Russ Hudson


...………………………………Id………… /

…..…… So ………………..…………………………1 Sp



7 So ……………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..


..6……………………………………………………………. 3
………………………………………………..………………. Ego



.…………………. 5 Sx …………….………Sx
…..…………….. /







...…………………………..Don Riso


...………………………………Id………… /

…..……8 So………………..…………………………Sp



7 So …………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 …………………………………..


..6 ……………………………………………………………. 3
...Supper Ego


.………………….Sx…………….……… 4 Sx
.....……………../



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Re: Psyche / Space // The Void ..as a - Tri-Action
by Kitchen Fly » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:47 am
In the spirit of Gurdjieff's conceptual vernacular,You may have thought ,that i berried the bone a little to deep in the last set of diagram of the last post.
for your clarity I have added a variation of the triads to unable you not react to the perception of misinterpretation of the multiplicities activity within both example presented.

..for the won't of a better analogy. I have includes (the clutch plate). incomplete: (9/0) , ..at this point the context of Tri-type & Tri-fix ,... contrasted with, the functionality of: ("Intuits") ,
would Ideally be included with applicable variations,. nuance-able variabilities of types flow.



As this point the flux at each point maybe ladened with a multiplicity of, "Value" psychometric orientation-variations.





..…………………………..Don Riso



...………………………………Id.………… /

…..……8 So………………..…………………………Sp



7 So …………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 …...……………………..


...6 Supper Ego...……...……………………………… 3 Feeling
.…………………………………………………………….Triad



.………………….Sx…………….……… 4 Sx
.....……………../


.………..………………. Russ Hudson



...……………………………… Id………… /

…..…… So ………………..…………………………1 Sp



7 So ……………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 .…...……………………..


...6 Thinking.........…..………………………………… 3 Ego
.….. Triad



.…………………. 5 Sx …………….………Sx
....…………….. /


..…………………………..Don Riso



...………………………………Id.………… /

…..……8 So………………..…………………………Sp



7 So …………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 …...……………………..


...6 Supper Ego...……...……………………………… 3 Feeling
.…………………………………………………………….Triad



.………………….Sx…………….……… 4 Sx
.....……………../


.………..………………. Russ Hudson



...……………………………… Id………… /

…..…… So ………………..…………………………1 Sp



7 So ……………………………………………………………. 2 Sp


.….……………………………. 0 .…...……………………..


...6 Thinking.........…..………………………………… 3 Ego
.….. Triad



.…………………. 5 Sx …………….………Sx
....…………….. /





There are may ways to slice a pie. Here I have endeavoured to illustrate the mirror principle , The eye in me that I see of you, the I see in me that I see in you.
I have tried to extend a tape loop impression and at the same time reveal a synthesis that can be viewed to mirror multiple parts and more than one action by
placing the the individual operations closely alined.

In a way this evenness between two people who could work we'll together kinda gives a hint as to why two people with different setting may class as types communicating.







………..………………. Russ Hudson
.………………………………(9/0)
...………………………………Id………… /

…..…… So ………………..…………………………1 Sp Supper
....…… Ego ........………………………………………….Ego
....………………………...…………………………...……..
7 So .………………………………………………………. 2 Sp
Supper.………………………………………………………. Ego
.. Ego
.….……………………………. 0 .…...……………………..


...6 Thinking.........…..………………………………… 3 Ego
.….. Triad



.…………………. 5 Sx …………….………Sx
.…………….. Id / Ego ……………… Supper Ego


..…………………………..Don Riso
.………………………………(9/0)
...………………………………Id.………… /

…..……8 So………………..…………………………Sp Ego
....…… Supper ………………..…………………………
......…… Ego

7 So …………………………………………………………. 2 Sp Supper
… Ego .…..………………………………………………………. Ego

.….……………………………. 0 …...……………………..


...6 Supper Ego...……...……………………………… 3 Feeling
.…………………………………………………………….Triad



.………………….Sx…………….……… 4 Sx
.…………….. Id / Ego …………… Supper Ego









I hope these have been are helpful, and sufficiently accurate,. and the character of mind modality depiction's,. cause no offence to , Russ Hudson.

I am happy to remove content that may cause displeasure if an individual be leaves I have incorrectly represented there type makeup within the content of the diagram's contents.


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Re: Psyche / Space // The Void ..as a - Tri-Action
by Kitchen Fly » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:11 am
Another advantage of modelling in this tape loop style is that it gives a fractal like momentum.

I have concentrated on the Id connections between the Points: 9 and 5 & 4 or 5 & 4 , in a two diminutional manner.
It would be also easy to illustrate for the same examples branchings from Points: 6 and 1 & 2 or 2 & 1 for the ,Supper Ego: Actions.
And the branchings from Points: 3 and 7 & 8 or 8 & 7 for the ,Ego: Actions.

Vier a more graphic friendly formate, it could all so be easy to illustrate a three diminutional illustration branching to and from the secondary and primary points to,
generate an reaction and response dynamics that can take place within interactions, Processes.


I have not mentioned Introvert and Extravert ..and how they work with the Scream like principle of the Principle Of Unification.

This is my image for the Extravert Function,for the Extraversion Action. They basically bounce the image of self (so to say) of the screen of the other or emanate a projected self image forward as if onto there own screen the screen they wish another to see of them selfs as being then selves.



……….. > / <








> / <




This is my image for the Introvert Functioning ,for the Introversion Action. They basically project there Self image of self (so to say) of the screen from the view point reserved (reserved perhaps from a perspective generated from the opposite end), of the Principle Of Unification. or emanate a projected self image forward that contains a measure of shame of guilt estimated.



……….. < / >








< / >




This way, traits from all eighteen subtypes can been seen with a fresh light of understanding.


I would start with the types closest to a screen and think about there generate characteristic manner Behaviours and Attitudes.
As there generate a self Image from there core point and other points that generate note able fluctuations within there temperament and character.


I am a INFP 9w1 ,and I can note how gilt and shame and to an extent innocence ,is sutler ly automatically expressed and emanated around the enneagram from
my primary proximity as a nine from point:9 to all four faces of both screens of the, Principle Of Unification Mechanism.

8w9 and 8w7 for example, are very much different the 8w9 faces Shame at the: N & S end of the ,Principle Of Unification Mechanism.
The 8w7 faces Guilt at the T & F end of the ,Principle Of Unification Mechanism.

The 4w5 faces Shame at the T & F end of the ,Principle Of Unification Mechanism.
The 4w3 faces Guilt at the: N & S end of the ,Principle Of Unification Mechanism.

And it is easy to understand in a sense the differences between 4w3 and 4w5, the four with three has a go get it mentality risk taker emotional attitude, draws on points 3, 7, and 8 and depending on the influences can respond from the higher or lower levels of these points influences and from rather side of the N & S end of the ,Principle Of Unification Mechanism. And some times visibly clearly from the S[/u] vier 1w9 (ambidextrous S&N).

But you the reader will have to investigate for you self, the validity of the concepts I am presenting by instigating your own examination of the Ideas and concepts I have presented in this topic post.

Test the Ideas for your self and determine, for yourself ,if my information I have sheared, is good or not good.


Cheers



Re: 487 Tritype In-depth
by Kitchen Fly » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:20 am
How would you differentiate between these tritypes? What would you note as the key markers distinguishing a sexual 4 from a sexual 8 or just an 8 in general?

How would I differentiate between these tritypes? 847, 837, or 853.

Taking into consideration that you sheared,. "I've delved more deeply into 4, though, and think my actual tritpye is 487, with the 4 having balanced wings."

I am thinking that you maybe a 4w5 sx/sp.

Point three is the fulcrum for the ego driven types, ego aggression, points:(3, 7, 8) ,and point 8 is the DOI for point five and point 7 is the DOD for point five.

The placement eight first and four second and severn third and then eight first and three second and severn third and then eight first and five second and three third along with your statement of: "It stems, in part, from realizing that my passion for truth and justice serve the end of authenticity" , "When my principles are breached, my anger pours out from a place of idealistic authenticity."

Suggests to me, that a large question within your own mind regarding human nature is the influence of Id Ego and Supper Ego and how best to manage its influences, pressers, upon your being. Being,. as a type four, sx/sp. "(sx/ "sense" /sp)"

The statements,. "end of authenticity , from a place of idealistic authenticity" suggest to me the line between six and four is a road that looks inviting and one that you wish to travel. The View Point, from false will ,point eight maybe a place of attitudinal lead Imagination , that in powers you to see the flow from points 3 to 4 to 5 to 6 that motivates much of the minds now time narrative that influences people and the things they engage there mental activity within. This action if correct utilising point eight, acts as a counter balance to Impulse and Desire and generates a bifurcation within the Id drive of self that works between the relation ship of points 4, 5, and 9.

The statements,. end of authenticity,. could be a hidden complaint pertaining to self, as being under the influence of point four as the selfs own personalities primary point of influence. Along with a further silent hidden complaint that identifies people in general, mis utilisation of point four. The statements,. from a place of idealistic authenticity,. could be referring to point nine and its role within the heathy function of Id with the psychospiritual phenomenon of being and living. Lust at point eight, would be very helpful to generalise the perception of any deceit generated from the natural misuse of point three.

You maybe wondering why I have chosen to illuminate dynamics of the enneagram as I have in my response to your post. The resin is: "(4wB-8w7-7w8) or possibly, but less likely, 485 (4wB-8w7-5w4)." there is not a sub type 4w8 and the use of 4w8 suggests the 4w3 component of your personality maybe or is at work, within your cognition ,at the time of generating your post ,and maybe at the hart of your natural resistance, towards understanding the ebb and flow of generating a clear insight as to your own personalities fundamental structure.
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Re: How does your Subtype influence your Type and Tritype?
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This is a broad topic. I'd like to say SP-946 has me continuously seeking out and improving upon 'the ultimate diet' and other stuff that lay a good ground and increase my well-being/quality of life. 8wing give confidence as far as survival is concerned. Always improving, always simplifying. I "live in my own world".
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Re: How does your Subtype influence your Type and Tritype?
by Kitchen Fly » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:18 pm
this is an interesting topic.

My subtype 9w1 and at present I am thinking about the enneagram the instincts and psychosynthesis.

One way that I believe my Subtype influences my Type and Tritype is vier the six components attitude drive influences of:
-Sensation
-Emotion Feeling
-Impulse Desire
-Imagination
-Thought
-Intuition

, from the psychosynthesis model.

As a,. 9 , 9w1, sx/sp/so , 9w8 5w6 4w5 , 936 963 396 , 1221 -D type , INFP. "Fire House" 1966 It seems to me that the Point alone component is closely linked to the N preference of my INFP. And so I see within the psychosynthesis model that the N is linked to -Intuition.

When my Subtype is predominantly active , 9w1 I believe that I can link it to the activity of -Thought.

When my less dominant shadow subtype or less utilised, or visablely self no tested subtype is predominantly active I believe that I can link it to
the activity of -Imagination.

But interestingly I am thinking that when these two mechanistic actions, -Thought & -Imagination ,are actively engaged, the third preference within my MBTI type being S is active and linked with -Sensation.

This activity is of interest to me as I explore insight to understanding a geometrical math like structure that links the notes of one model with the notes of another model within the cohesive vibration of mind and personalities expressive personification.

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Within the model I am I am working towards constructing from rezoned self observations and lateral thought concepts I wave been working on over some time. I be leave there is a mechanistic actions or mechanistic play at work between the models.


My next thought from responding to this topic post is,. Emotion Feeling & Impulse Desire , do these two activities link with the activities of the , 9w8 5w6 4w5 , 936 963 396 , If so it could be resounded that a clue could be resound to exist in that -Imagination is on the opposite-end of the sea saw to -Impulse Desire as -Thought is
on the opposite-end of the sea saw to -Emotion Feeling.

I need to meditate/ think about inter reflect for some time to witness if and how this structure works in unison with that I have all ready noticed.


Hear is an interesting thought , If you have read my topic post: Enneagram, Instincts, Psychosynthesis

I mention the number 56 as being a posable key to unraveling a mechanism relating to the metaphysics of minds operations and its root connections within Greater Natures fixed design.

I have a five dot model that I think about, then I think of The Hole Brain Model, and I also think of the six pointed symbol of the enneagram, as working together with the five dot model. The number 56 is a number I see as in a way, kinaesthetically linking the two models. The fact that the 5 is in the Tens column and the 6 is in the units column is ok because I perceive the decimal point, as being of a third implicate driven liked to the third implicate of the impossible object.

the numbers five and six under an influence of the decimal point may have a different logical operation as under the influence of the logic of the decimal point ten math standard system.

To think of a third implicate influence with in number values of normal math one needs to think of the decimal point as being a bifurcation between the very large and the very small or , Albert Einstein general theory of relativity and M theory/ String Theory.



Professor Edward Witten diagram reminds me to think about my thought in more than one way:

Image



The square reminds me of the Hole Brain central point in the Hole Brain Thinking Model, and the circle in the other diagram reminds me to think of the THE ABSOLUTE & The Self or central point in the seven dot model I described in my topic post: Enneagram, Instincts, Psychosynthesis.

I all so think of the possibility of 11 dimension as having a correlation to the sum 5 + 6 = 11 , witch is like saying the ten dimensions that exist with in the membrane of or cosmos plus, a dimension ,that most likely exists beyond our Host Membrane and exist also though out as it passes though our Host Membrane as being related to this sum as a clue One of Greater Natures Clues.

I all so see the two hemispheres of our brain plus the central connecting part as a clue to the Nature of our cosmos. It is my be leaf that the Big Bag was the result of Two mature Membranes both consisting of only microwaves the remnants of all cosmic activity drawn to gather to reproduce an offspring of a cobranded new cosmos made from the collision of the two as the birth of a cosmos in the action of a Big Bag … The Two Sets of Micro Waves thrusting to a central point as the two membranes pop ,as they touch, forcing a vacuum and Creating of a fertile new membrane to continue the cosmic sisal of life.

It is easy to model this basic action in a simplistic way utilising the A B C of the Law of three and a conceptual Idea that the Law of Four is the central action in the Creation of the Big Bag as the initiates a new cosmic life cycle. 3 + 4 + 3 = 10 The Unit of Ten could be viewed as the one single action and the Zero could be viewed as the new membrane skin made from the space of the two membranes combined as one mew membrane.

At this point I would suggest that Dark Energy is the vacuum and Dark Matter is created when all the microwaves from both membranes have accelerated towards a central point and explode,. to engage a new a fresh process of membrane evolution. ( As if the membranes mate and shear DNA or Micro waves Membrane DNA so to say ).

But any way I have modelled simply how this could make sense in a balanced way utilising my simple lateral Math concept geometrical principles. Quite basic really, common sense logic by following the standard rules of my model.

Any way will think more about Subtype influence -- Type and Tritype.



One of my starting points towards understanding the co connection between the eight mater genes and mind.

*8 8 9*

12345678 , 87654321 , 0123456789 (or & or) 9876543210

9 multiplied by 8 = 72

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 , +8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 , +0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 ...or and (&)... +9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1+0 = 36






……………….…………… Six-Tailed Asteroid Spotted By Hubble Space Telescope (PHOTO)

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 36122.html

369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2 Personality; Feel Triads Impersonally Gut? Feel Instincts Innately Hart? Cognition Subjectively Head?

In contrast to: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w4 Personality; Sense Triads Impersonally Gut? Senes Instincts Innately Hart? Cognition Subjectively Head?

There are may layers influencing mind ,vier the mechanism of selfs own,. Innate Enneagram.

Observing the visible expression ,of the three triads is posable by focusing upon that filter or that portion of now time expression within an individuals narrative/ story of who they area as they are: as type, as person, as Being.

Observing the visible expression ,of the three instinctual energies is also posable and it seems that the three Instincts have six expressions ,energy variations.

Sp/sx
Sp/so
So/sx
So/sp
Sx/sp
Sx/so

…And all nine types are co governed by the components of: Id, Ego, Supper Ego. The Six Instinctual Variants ,seem to be governed by an influence of two sets of Influences from the three primary points of Points: 3, 6, and 9. One set serves the the Subtype component of type; sense, feel, Intuit. And the other set seems to serves the emotional body of type; Sense, Think, Feel.

The influence is vier three orientations:

1) The or A three three part ordering of:

- Un Conches First , Sub Conches Second , Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Third , Conches First.
- Sub Conches First , Conches Second , Un Conches Third ,. or Un Conches Second , Conches Third.
- Conches First , Un Conches Second , Sub Conches Third ,. or Sub Conches Second , Un Conches Second.


2)

- "(Sp Point:2/"think?"/sx point:5)"-->"(Sx Point:5/"feel?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"sense?"/sp point:2)" --> "(Sp/"think?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "feel"/so)"--> "(So/ "sense?"/sp)".
- "(Sp Point:2/"sense?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"feel?"/sx point:5 )"-->"(Sx Point:5/"think?"/sp point:2)"--> "(Sp/ "sense?"/so)"--> "(So/ "feel?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "think?"/sp)".

- "(Sp Point:2/"think"/sx point:5)" ,, "(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" <-- "(Sx Point:4/"sense"/sp point:2)" ,, "(Sx Point:4/"feel"/sp point:1)".


3) The influence of the second like Instinct component, "(sp point:1)" for the 369 , 396 , 936 ,Sp/Sx/So 3w2,. e.g.

- "(sp point:1)" component for; "(Sp Point:2/"think"/sx point:5)" ,, "(Sp Point:2/"feel"/Sx Point:4)" <-- "(Sx Point:4/"sense"/sp point:2)" ,, "(Sx Point:4/"feel"/sp point:1)"
- "(Sp Point:2/"think?"/sx point:5)"-->"(Sx Point:5/"feel?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"sense?"/sp point:2)" -->"(Sp/"think?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "feel"/so)"-->"(So/ "sense?"/sp)".
- "(Sp Point:2/"sense?"/so point:8)"-->"(So Point:8/"feel?"/sx point:5 )"-->"(Sx Point:5/"think?"/sp point:2)"-->"(Sp/ "sense?"/so)"-->"(So/ "feel?"/sx)"-->"(Sx/ "think?"/sp)".


- "(sp point:1)" component for: 369 396 936 Sp/Sx 3w2 Personality; Intuit:

- "(sp point:1/"Intuit"/So Point:8)" ,. "Intuits", -->"(sp point:1/"think"/So Point:7)"-->"(so point:7/"sense"/Sx Point:4 )"-->"(sx point:4/"feel"/Sp Point:1)"-->


4) A mechanism for the six pointed fig; component-mechanism: ( -1-4-2-8-5-7- ) ,is still to be addressed, as also, the role of the Secondary Type Points Tritype Components: Point:1, Point:2, Point:4, Point:5, Point:7, Point:8 .


………………………………………………………..

Note the three sevens,. 1 & 6 = 7 , 2 & 5 = 7 , 4 & 3 = 7

Three sevens are 21 , 21 + 21 = 42 , and we can go further 6 and 15 and 21, 1+2+3=6 ,6+5+4=15 , 7+7+7=21
all three number values can be divided evenly three times,. 2+2+2= 6 , 5+5+5= 15 , 7+7+7= 21

It may seem silly to work numbers in this way but the numbers 6, 15 and 21 are interesting numbers,
you may recognise six as being interesting in an enneagram context because of the six pointed Fig.
Fifteen and twenty one are all so equally as interesting to me. For example 15 reminds me of A and B of C,
or five dots my five dot model with each dot having an A B C connection at the level of the Law of three.
Twenty one is like two peaces of bread and the meat in the model. or the coin and two sides.

Forty two, Law four and two force, and 4+2 = 6 six point Fig.



…….. Two Force



…..….. Law four …..…..






Image


That was very interesting ganglion.

1&6
2&5
4&3

Thank you for shearing that link, I resinated with the self within the model Psychosynthesis.

You are a very cleaver person ganglion and you shed light, for me, upon the centre or mid point (1+1+1+4 =10) and helped me centre my some small doubt even though , trusted that an other would bridge beginning with completion.

You perspicaciously illuminated a perspective necessary for the interpersonal connection.

You are very smart ,and I appetite the assistance. 

I will post it as its own topic as it deserves to be visible as subject for all to discover who have interest.

Thanks ganglion
Could the six tails , be a reaction to the Six Asteroid Belts,, between Mars and Jupiter?



http://science.howstuffworks.com/asteroid-belt2.htm

This comet or astroid that had six tail's for a period of time, reminds me of Gurdieff's Law:7 You may like to think of the Comet as One object, and the six tails as being symbolic of the influences of six forces at Points: 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 of the living enneagram. The Asteroid Belts between Mars and Jupiter may have a mechanical operation relating to the Law of severn. If so I would further suggest that Jupiter and Trojans the two astroid belt clusters each side of Jupiter may have a relation ship with the Multiplicity between Points: 3 & 6 and Jupiter it self may have a relation ship with Point:9 and Pluto because all process's begin at zero at point nine and end at nine at point nine.

So between the the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter and Trojans the two astroid belt-clusters and the Pluto (mini planets and moons) or (four moons we call Pluto), the connecting mechanical operation at a metaphysical level of the Solar systems operation may involve all three Laws Law's: 3,4, & 7. But this is only one perspective, the three Laws may have many overlaying operations, between the two Asteroid Belts, inner Asteroid Belt and outer Asteroid Belt ,and the Sun and Planets and Pluto.

I like the thought, the Idea of the main belts being like Greater Natures (Grey Matter) and that our collective conches subconscious and un conches may have or has, a direct action with a posable hosting action that assist in the workings of Life Mind and Evolution.
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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:42 pm

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Posted - 21 Aug 2011 : 12:26:23 AM


Wow that is intuitive magochre, I just started reading chapter one, mind 48 hours ago.
I really like the way the author weaves the structure. The, east and west, psychology and religion.
I am getting a sense that he is introducing a contextual context of bubal within bubal, left brain right brain duel matrix. Or may be that is transference via my expectations.
I am making a fish bone graph copying the sentences of paragraphs so I can map and rope learn the contextual structure.
I think the author is a 5w6 so I am going to do an experiment and try and learn the way I think he thinks, so to say, frame work the structure as he presents it.

I am rope learn it, until it is absorbed in to my 308 hard drive,.

It may take Time so one chapter or so a week.

I liked the intro very much, I like the way he thinks, he makes it easy to under stand and assessable, not like as a 5w4 would right it, as an exclusive construct only for the elite.

But it is early days, even a nut has his good days, LOL, so I will wait till the end of the book to see what I think of the book as a metaphysic template to understanding the mechanics of mind and accessibility of the void.

Dome some really interesting interreflecting and had some great impressions that have lead to some good insight's this last two weeks.

I think I have worked out the stacks for my self and in doing so I have gained an impression of host energies and insight of structure that is structured within structure.

A bit of a personal victory that I see as most likely important for me to understand before I read this book and see its structure.

Great-Nature often works this way in my narrative so it is nothing new to me.

Talk to you next week magochre, in 7 days, and will talk more about chapter 1, 2, and may be three.

Or, did you know that your un-conches made its decision 6 seconds ago!

I have been working on the stacks.

For me I am a, or think I am a SX SP SO,. So if there is a filter, for input to go through via the sub conches, then this may be what it looks like and it may take 6 seconds to reach the persona of direct cognition;
- SO (1)(0); (0)(1),(1)(1)or SO (1)(0);(1)(1),(0)(1)
- SX (0)(1); (1)(1),(1)(0)or SX (0)(1);(1)(0),(1)(1)
- SP (1)(1); (0)(1),(1)(0)or SP (1)(1);(1)(0),(0)(1)

Pure void? may be (0)(0), working in unisonce with;
eg- "not exactly this order"


(1)(0), (0)(1),(1)(1) (1)(0),(1)(1),(0)(1)
(0)(1), (1)(1),(1)(0) (0)(1),(1)(0),(1)(1)
(1)(1), (0)(1),(1)(0) (1)(1),(1)(0),(0)(1)



"Arr ess meet wess, say con'fu'sharr"
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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:55 pm

" Any way.. all those post will ether wreck your brain ..or make it stronger "
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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:05 am

I will add these posts on to the body of posts to. It is unfinished work and it is good that I came across it because one of my next steps is to look at the relationship between the six Instinctual variants and the six primary type sub types,. you know at point:2 SP Sp/sx and 6w7 ,at point:1 Sp/so and 6w5 , and so on,. Sx at Point: 4 and , Sx/sp and 9w8 , Sx at Point: 5 and , Sx/so and 9w1 , So at Point: 7 and , So/sx and 3w4 , So at Point: 8 and , So/sp and 3w2. I think I got that right points 7, 8, and 4, 5.

But the point is that there is some thing interesting happening at three levels the level of the line s of the triangle and the Instinct s and the six primary subtype level.

Not interested in thinking about it at the moment but it is unfinished Business.


This is very much the seeding work that helped me to get this cake that is baking quite nicely in the oven of the sub conches so to say that I seem to be working to wards celebrating its final completion as a finished baked product for all how may like to feed on it.


As you may appreciate, I am looking for a form of cemetery,. like a scuffling, that the enmeshment of personalities componentry expression circulates and moves within as a logos of fixed design so to say. Perhaps enmeshment is not the best word but I like it and it reminds me to consider the the Transitional Analysis Model, TA as a posable fourth part as being a part of the puzzle shapes solution.

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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 :  12:09:24 PM      

Well Have just had an interesting conversation with a friend over a fue bears and my friend sheared, I am re reading the "The Stellazine Prophecy" in reverse for the first time since I first read book one 22 years ago.

My response please do tell.

A fue bear's later and a trip to the bottle shop had me thinking on the return ..I recalled a model I had firmly in mind in the late 90's.

An archetypal model as I would liberally describe,. and It 's structure expanded as I reflected in current context as I returned from the bottle shop.

As it stood in the late 90's it consisted of six parts before I recognised it was incomplete due to a lake of knowledge. But it had six part and I had knowledge of the law of severn so, I was not disheartened.


Now i see possibility of within an accord, well I am not the smartest tool in the kit but I have had time to correlate may "gut" generated Idea's about many Ideas and one idea that remains most part a mystery unto the seeker, is a fundamental understanding of how persona and the Six: Scale Model may, connect practicably.

For the reader that has no knowledge of Russell A Smith's formulations or as visible my lack of understanding of,. but It looks like this in six parts six scales.

Scale-? ="DO" "RE" "MI" "FA" " SO" "LA" "TI" "DO"
THE UNKNOWN SCALE
Scale-0 = DO RE MI FA SO LA TI DO
THE SCALE OF TOTALITY -- "ONENESS"

And any way there is scale-? to,scale-0, to scale-1, to scale-2, to scale-3, to:

All Sales = Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do

Now please don't think of me as some one who wishes to pass his self of as some kind of polymath genus who understands the full or part meaning of this body of work but a patten of this nature, should not be alien to the mind of Man. So I give my self permission to wonder and inter reflect.

So as I said i got stuck some years back at six.

So let me show you wear I got stuck at when it was six, some time back.

Some who have read my post as long back as some time ago will recall myself barking on about the eighth wonder of the would of E discovery, as being a non-descriptive explanation, other than: Bio, Tech and Noos.

Many of you may have laughed as I may of if I had a developed knowledge base of a or the scientific E.

But what I had in mind was.

Between points 9 and 3 Bio.
Between points 3 and 6 Tech.
Between points 6 and 8 Noos.

Witch as an emotional means line would look like this:

Bio Bio Bio Tech Tech Tech Noos Noos Noos
..9...1....2....3......4......5.....6......7......8
Bio Bio Bio Noos Noos Noos Tech Tech Tech

This was as I sore or understood the order basically when I correlated the MBTI with the Enneagram back in the late 90's.

So the point is that 45 different combinations may make many operations that adds to the confusion of the workings of the essential enneagram.

..and on to this, my new starting point in wondering about the nature of trifix and trypes theory.

..9...1....2.....3.....4......5........6......7......8

Bio Bio Bio Tec Tec Tec Nos Nos No'os
Bio Bio Bio Nos Nos Nos Bio Bio Bio
Nos Nos Nos Bio Bio Bio Tec Tec Tec
Tec Tec Tec Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio
Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio Bio

Another way of seeing Bio Tech and Noos is Gut Hart and Head.

And three Guts as sub-conchess the or a biological starting point in an evolutional development process for Mans mind, from a primordial order.

So you can see how I got stuck logically at six and you can deduce that, the lack of over all understanding was the limiting factor.

Because points 9 and 1 and 2 must have Tech and Noos or Noos and tech meaning there are five posable scale to the underlying logic.

See my meaning?

So Sales-? = is most likely the missing sixth.

And All Scales = Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do is most likely the point of three wherein, I would see it as the Three Bio's in each of the nine points along with one Tech and one Noos.

For those who have not got it; the making of the law of tree within or for the stubborn to change as posable source, input,. Holy Love.

Now how many people have thought of the Question, what may be the construct of the underlying supporting energy.

That supports the projection of the types,Tri-type component of the E and also that supports the tri-fix along with the other operations that naturally emanated as enneagram expressed-intelligence within persona..

Persona has its construct as emotion experienced,. and the three instincts are all so close to this constructs as a working component.

But this is fresh ground revisited. 

What are you thoughts?

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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 :  2:24:22 PM      

I don't understand a single word of what you are saying. Seems pretty weird and confused to me.


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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 :  2:32:06 PM      

quote:

Originally posted by Timo84

I don't understand a single word of what you are saying. Seems pretty weird and confused to me.



Well ok, I can understand that Timo84, I do not expect every one to go eureka I'v got it.


But I shear it as a seed for the mind to look at and allow it to permeate at a level wear it may in future be understood.


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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 :  2:39:29 PM      

But one interesting thought I have had is if well lets go along with it as an abstract idea for a moment, then how could such an idea work with the current model that has a 144 Question air.

Well if each of the 45 places can have a value of Gut, Hart, Head, then the sun of 45 + 45 + 45 = 135.

So each point has five note like values of a mystical order and we have three instinct energies, (135), and that leave a sum of nine to make a sum of 144.

So the nine to make a sum of 144 could be nine base octaves that can or could have three time 45 expressions. So to say 

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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 :  02:55:54 AM      

It really is not that tricky the language to describe the flux may not be scientific enough for the psychological and spiritual investigators who read these boards but the basic design should ring a bell at a level just below the surface of attention wear only the needs of the ego are concentrated upon and served.

I will work at presenting it in a more easy way for understanding but why should I have to do that work I all ready understand it at a level what works for me.




I may as well re post this post because it leads in a sense, to a level of big picture thinking or big picture modelling I am seeking to gain a greater efficiency in pitching and articulating as my standard for typing the hole personality. I took it down because I felt embarrassed when I thought to my self what If I am wrong what if an individual can be types from all three triads differently and produce equally a different typing and be correct because of the complexity of perception vier the influences of having three lenses so to say.

I had a bit of a shadow attack but it in powered me to make a brake though not long after the post, you may see point six and the thinking triad and its bridges between points helped me move forward in developing my understandings.



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7s and escaping into a delusional future
by badger05 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:18 am
7s always need to escape into some promising future. So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase). But when I actually get to experience the thing more often than not it sucks. It completely destroys the delusion and I'm left wondering what I was thinking. Now I'm scared to make any plan because I don't know if it's based in reality. I want to make sure that my future plans are actually what I'm looking for. How would I make sure of this?

And here is my type: ISTP 7w8 8w7 4w3 sx/sp.
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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by Kitchen Fly » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:07 pm
The how to may have much to do with blending into a fresh perspective elements out side of but not alien to: ISTP 7w8 8w7 4w3 sx/sp.

But you shore have some hungry elements hungry for stimulation and absolute poison of accuracy to meet your symbiotic needs, Badger05.

I think the nine to six six to nine line may hold some key energy you could utilise for finding resolution. 7w8 8w7 both 8 component energies,
braw of and from point:9 and both 7 component energies braw of and from point: 6. The 4w3 sx/sp I suspect gets a work out within your physico narrative.

So this leads me to think of the cuff that the answer may be generated from concentrating on cultivating and integrating healthy elements from,
the bifurcation between, So/sx & So/so , witch I be fine at the instinct level as; -Feel,. the Sense you will have had, perhaps over developed being a sx/sp.

This may help you to develop a grounding awareness a fresh awareness the you may over look utilising that lays innate within you natural being.

The utilisation of Intuits is most likely well developed with your sense and feel at points: 3 & 6 , and this use of Intuits at point:9 ,may provide the Sevens capability as in,.drive,. to imagine possibilities on the run with microscopic accuracy,. so to say. And envision alternatives that are immediately appealing to the selfs instinctual core, and internal sense of happiness at an ego "private victory" and Id "physical emotional" level.

But each point has a multiplicity of operations within the synergetic interconnection between all point. ..And the variety of operations the self draws energies from ,from these point. Determines dynamics experienced. To successfully partake,. Think at Point:9 may need to be utilised within a different balance between point type energy and instinct energy. By creating Area - "Space." My thinking is between the divide between the nine or eighteen point type energies ,and the three or six instinct type energies is a Space the is not separate as normal experience but is filled with as a logos , with content of the minds generation from its balances and needs to be met. So to say.

I think if we make the space by allowing our selfs to created enough separation from our minds fixation of attention we can take a leaf of understanding out of the nines health capacity a capacity that the nine over utilises for its comfort seeking needs to be met at the nines delusional level of habitual passive cognition.. Nines create space within there Area,. there minds awareness as observational and experiential Space Space.


I have included in the following,. a perspective, of the lens I look through in viewing and considering my replying to your question. To help you to understand the thought processes underlying my reply to the subject post.

I am a believer in the Idea that we all have a Kinesthetic Body and that it intuits what we think sense and feel ,and that this Kinesthetic Body is the earthly component of Host as a working part of our mortal Psyche the entirety that we are as a living Human Being. The Kinesthetic Body i think is a component that has a direct but defused relationship with and to the Hosting Force, and the self as a connected and separate intelligent entity is distracted by forces synonymous with entropy the workings of Greater Nature explicate comic order. So entropic forces are dealt with ,with the help of this stabilising component, the Kinesthetic Body. Its works and mechanistic role is something that I am curious about. So hear are some of my modelings that I have deduced from my understandings of both my limited understanding of the Human condition and the Enneagram.





These diagrams in a way I purposefully shapes as a Fig in the shape of a human form out line. (A Kinesthetic Body Model)






……...… area




……. experience …….





...… Intuit / Think





Feel ..……….…… Sense







- area is at head or eye hight.

- "……. experience ……." is at hart hight, or at the multiplicity between line between points 3 and 6 with area at point "9".

- "Intuit / Think" is a Gut hight or the pelvis in the drawing as a symbol of its fulcrum of connection to Feeling triad location point:3 and Thinking triad point:6. ..& instinctive mobility as a fulcrum. So to say.

- Feel ………….…… Sense ..,are like the vehicles, the feet. Instinctual movement controlled within its connection to the area Being self located in the head as a visceral instinctual experience, so to say.

There are many ways to cut the pie into portions. And perhaps I have stretched an analogy or simile just a little to far for your liking,. but I have endeavoured to be helpful in exspaining simply some thing people right volumes in the hope to educate and reveal an overall understanding.




The following is something I am developing:






.……......… Think




…. Feel .…….…… Sense








………...… Intuit



Thinking .…..…… Feeling
. triad .…..….……. triad








(An Instinctual bifurcation action; Intuits at a 3 into 3 level) May have a direct connection with Presence and Space and Area.






..…….………....… (9)
..…….……....… Intuits







. (6) Feel …….……….…… Sense (3)
. instinct ………….….…… instinct








.…….………....… (9)
.…….……....… Intuits






(6) Thinking .………..…… Feeling (3)
….. triad .….………...……. triad








Experience has its connections to Feel & Sense ,and ……. experience ……. can be thought of as; Visceral - A Gut felt Think-ing.





……. ……. experience …….



……. Feel …………..… Sense







Area ..may have a connection to Direct Cognition, and Intuit ..may have a connection to Energy and Space. And Think ..may have a connection to Mass and Time.





……. .……...… area



……. ...… Intuit / Think





(A kinaesthetic component of minds awareness, a bifurcation between 3 into 3 ; intuits linking , 3 into 3 into 3 into 3 ,where in; "self" / "I AM" / "Physical Psyche" / and Host ,intersect.)




E.g.




……...… area ...……………...…….. "Host"




……. experience ……. ...…………. "I AM"





...… Intuit / Think .….………...….. "self"





Feel ………….…… Sense .……….. "Physical Psyche"







At the level of the three Instincts it is easy for me to order the three , "self" / "I AM" / "Physical Psyche" as: "self" (SP) , "I AM" (SO) , "Physical Psyche" (SX) , Host (as the Unification of all three as One; Host).

At the level of the three; Id, ego, and supper ego it is easy for me to order the three , "self" / "I AM" / "Physical Psyche" as: "self" (Id) , "I AM" (Supper Ego) , "Physical Psyche" (Ego) , Host (as the Unification of all three as One; Host).

At the level of the three Triads it is easy for me to order the three , "self" / "I AM" / "Physical Psyche" as: "self" (Sense Point:3) , "I AM" (Feel Point:6) , "Physical Psyche" (Think Point:9) , Host (as the Unification of all three as One; Host).

As for the harmonic groupings, I would have to think about that. and include my thoughts after inter reflecting.



Like I have mentioned this is...something I am working on. I am not a natural at explaining things,
so I do,..the best I can ,utilising my level of understanding and general scholastic knowledge.



Please feel free to extend feed back..

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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by badger05 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:49 am
aaand now how about a reply from someone who is not on crack
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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by Kitchen Fly » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:15 am



Your ISTP 3w4 is strong within your reactive body. Are you shore you are not a low end functioning , 3w4 badgero5 ?


The three with four wing.

Core of sub-type: three with four-wing; ISTP
Auxiliary/wing: four with-five; ENTP
Subsidiary wing: five with four-wing; INTP
Subsidiary wing: one with nine-wing; ExTJ (Ambidextrous S and N)
Point of stress/disintegration: nine with eight-wing; INFJ
Point of Integration/Neurosis: six with seven-wing; ISFP


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Smoke first…Reply later..We can Talk our way through this misidentification.


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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by Kitchen Fly » Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:48 am
badger05 wrote:
7s always need to escape into some promising future. So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase). But when I actually get to experience the thing more often than not it sucks. It completely destroys the delusion and I'm left wondering what I was thinking. Now I'm scared to make any plan because I don't know if it's based in reality. I want to make sure that my future plans are actually what I'm looking for. How would I make sure of this?

And here is my type: ISTP 7w8 8w7 4w3 sx/sp.


I want to make sure that my future plans are actually what I'm looking for. How would I make sure of this?




This is a very personal question.

I have been looking at the three subtypes 7w8 8w7 4w3 in the book Personality Types, using the enneagram for self-discovery.

The seven with an eight-wing: "The Realist" , The Eight with a Seven-Wing: The Maverick" , The Four with a Three-Wing: "The Aristocrat".

Two things that strike me about this trifix is that most roads lead to both self preservation and the relating triad.

The Seven's Direction Of Disintegration is from 7 to 1 and at point one, there can be a question of imperfection. Things are not quite right ,and should be better.

The Four's Direction Of Disintegration is to Point:2 and Point:2 is linked by the line from Two to Eight or Eight to Two. It is worth mentioning that at the Level of the Instincts, Points:2 and 8 and 5, are part of a triangle and one of the traits that the, sx/so and so/sp and sx/so shear, is an impersonal drive to gain. This could be at conflict with the sx/sp component of your self typing along with the core Seven that shears the same Instinctive triangle that has a personal out would orientation, of considering others and own symbiotic needs and concerns and orientations. The sx/sp and sp/so and so/sx triangle.

I also noted from the subtype descriptions that the 7w8 and 8w7 have aggressive traits that reinforce each other and the 4w3 has a trait of being emotionally volatile and contradictory, a trait that I would suggest is sheared by doth Points Five and One.

I most likely have all ready gone to deep into the structure of the internal workings of the enneagram but I have mentioned these things because you mentioned, that you want to make sure that your future plans are actually what your looking for and ask,. How would I make sure of this?

I suggest manifesting a holistic familiarisation of all these components I have presented in the post and also, taking the time to make the connections of flow between them. This may empower you to work out what is the major overcompensation that perpetuates the dissatisfaction you protest about experiencing as a current patten you fear maybe ordering your narratives flow in form of, dissatisfaction.

Good luck with your self explorations and desirer to overcome this complaint you feel a need to rectify.


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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:15 pm
There are may ways to slice a pie, but often the basis can serve as a good guide, and often yield results in formulating understanding. I am yet to hear this technique mentioned by the Enneagram Masters, so take note of this cutting edge approach.

All processes begin at zero at point nine and end at nine at point nine,. wise words I embraces by a great master enneagram teacher, A.G.E. Blake. I like to look at things reasonably fairly even though the argy-bargy between disputing view point avocets of each of the three instincts especially the left and right often muddies the clarity of self generated understanding from the third pint perspective of observer.

But being on the cutting edge of clarity supported by my fine body of work concisely retained, I sit back with pipe in hand smoking ,. as I tap the execs ash from my smoking implement thoughts cum rushing to mind. Be a vessel immense of compassion I and am immediately compelled to shear and guide the fallen to understandings reserved for those whom have completed there home work.


7s always need to escape into some promising future. So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase).


This statement you provide, reminds me of the symbol of the enneagram, the line from point seven to point one and it also reminds me of the Instincts and several diagrams models I have retained in the recesses of my emendate clarity. If we take a fresh look at type seven and in this case the 7w8, with the dynamical workings of the six enneagram instinctual variant types in mind. We may learn something for the first time of the sutler announces of being a type from the observations of the nuances of Instinct and its operations as an overall mechanism.

In the words of the newly appointed Governor General Sir Peter Cosgrove ,. as he praises ceremonial service personal performing there duties in the the rain ,on the grounds of The Australian Parliament Entrance. "Members of the armer services do not rust." And so too this also applies to the working mechanism of the Living Enneagram. The working mechanisms are sound and therefor, observable, to the astute student who seeks understanding unto the underlying mechanism of the selfs own discord and self generated perpetuated sullied enterprise as a mortal Being and participating custodian Serving WithIn, Greater-Natures-Evolution.

As we Actualise our Being, a multiplicity of processes are at work ,and our partial autonomy neglects to recognise actions that underpin the casual actions of our free will. One such action maybe illuminated within our consciousness ,from reflecting upon the verbiage of the topic statement posted.

E.g.

7s always need to escape into some promising future. So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase).

At this point I am tempted to shear my own vision of becoming the third recipient of a night hood till: Sir Mark Anthony Rockliff , but I will belay gratification until I am recipient.


- 7s always need to escape into some promising future. (sp/So) -- (Sp/so -- So/sx -- Sx/sp : triangle)
- So sometimes I settle for what I can get. Sp/sx
- and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect. Sx/sp

- 7s always need to escape into some promising future. ( 7 to 5 vision.. & ..7 to 1 justification) , ( 2 to 8 escapism.. & ..2 to 4 internal experiential imagining )
- So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect. Sp/so - (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase). So/sp
- But when I actually get to experience the thing more often than not it sucks. Sp/sx
- It completely destroys the delusion and I'm left wondering what I was thinking. Sx/sp
- Now I'm scared to make any plan because I don't know if it's based in reality. Sx/so
- I want to make sure that my future plans are actually what I'm looking for. So/sx
- How would I make sure of this? So/sp

- So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect. Sp , Sp/so , (sp "think" So) - (fantasy)
- (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase). So , So/sp , (so "Intuit" Sp) (fantasy) - Four Parts: ( think-sense-feel , fantasy-future-perfect , 9-3-6 , Id-ego-supper ego )

- So sometimes I settle for what I can get: Sp , and create this fantasy: 9 ,of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect: w1 ,. "I suggest the author maybe a 9w1 Sp/sx/so."

There are many ways to cut the pie, and the accuracy of this dissecting maybe questioned,. with out the nuances of further information, body language voice tonnage and other clues, nuance input.


I must return now to the celebrations of the day,. Sir Peter Cosgrove sworn in as Australia's 26th Governor-General.




...http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/p ... al/5351436



God Bless The Queen and God Bless Australia and Blessed be the one who shears his loving wisdom and enneagram insights.

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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:15 pm
There are may ways to slice a pie, but often the basis can serve as a good guide, and often yield results in formulating understanding. I am yet to hear this technique mentioned by the Enneagram Masters, so take note of this cutting edge approach.

All processes begin at zero at point nine and end at nine at point nine,. wise words I embraces by a great master enneagram teacher, A.G.E. Blake. I like to look at things reasonably fairly even though the argy-bargy between disputing view point avocets of each of the three instincts especially the left and right often muddies the clarity of self generated understanding from the third pint perspective of observer.

But being on the cutting edge of clarity supported by my fine body of work concisely retained, I sit back with pipe in hand smoking ,. as I tap the execs ash from my smoking implement thoughts cum rushing to mind. Be a vessel immense of compassion I and am immediately compelled to shear and guide the fallen to understandings reserved for those whom have completed there home work.


7s always need to escape into some promising future. So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase).


This statement you provide, reminds me of the symbol of the enneagram, the line from point seven to point one and it also reminds me of the Instincts and several diagrams models I have retained in the recesses of my emendate clarity. If we take a fresh look at type seven and in this case the 7w8, with the dynamical workings of the six enneagram instinctual variant types in mind. We may learn something for the first time of the sutler announces of being a type from the observations of the nuances of Instinct and its operations as an overall mechanism.

In the words of the newly appointed Governor General Sir Peter Cosgrove ,. as he praises ceremonial service personal performing there duties in the the rain ,on the grounds of The Australian Parliament Entrance. "Members of the armer services do not rust." And so too this also applies to the working mechanism of the Living Enneagram. The working mechanisms are sound and therefor, observable, to the astute student who seeks understanding unto the underlying mechanism of the selfs own discord and self generated perpetuated sullied enterprise as a mortal Being and participating custodian Serving WithIn, Greater-Natures-Evolution.

As we Actualise our Being, a multiplicity of processes are at work ,and our partial autonomy neglects to recognise actions that underpin the casual actions of our free will. One such action maybe illuminated within our consciousness ,from reflecting upon the verbiage of the topic statement posted.

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7s always need to escape into some promising future. So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase).

At this point I am tempted to shear my own vision of becoming the third recipient of a night hood till: Sir Mark Anthony Rockliff , but I will belay gratification until I am recipient.


- 7s always need to escape into some promising future. (sp/So) -- (Sp/so -- So/sx -- Sx/sp : triangle)
- So sometimes I settle for what I can get. Sp/sx
- and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect. Sx/sp

- 7s always need to escape into some promising future. ( 7 to 5 vision.. & ..7 to 1 justification) , ( 2 to 8 escapism.. & ..2 to 4 internal experiential imagining )
- So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect. Sp/so - (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase). So/sp
- But when I actually get to experience the thing more often than not it sucks. Sp/sx
- It completely destroys the delusion and I'm left wondering what I was thinking. Sx/sp
- Now I'm scared to make any plan because I don't know if it's based in reality. Sx/so
- I want to make sure that my future plans are actually what I'm looking for. So/sx
- How would I make sure of this? So/sp

- So sometimes I settle for what I can get and create this fantasy in my mind of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect. Sp , Sp/so , (sp "think" So) - (fantasy)
- (ex. a life goal, moving or a big purchase). So , So/sp , (so "Intuit" Sp) (fantasy) - Four Parts: ( think-sense-feel , fantasy-future-perfect , 9-3-6 , Id-ego-supper ego )

- So sometimes I settle for what I can get: Sp , and create this fantasy: 9 ,of how this thing in the future is going to be perfect: w1 ,. "I suggest the author maybe a 9w1 Sp/sx/so."

There are many ways to cut the pie, and the accuracy of this dissecting maybe questioned,. with out the nuances of further information, body language voice tonnage and other clues, nuance input.


I must return now to the celebrations of the day,. Sir Peter Cosgrove sworn in as Australia's 26th Governor-General.




...http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/p ... al/5351436



God Bless The Queen and God Bless Australia and Blessed be the one who shears his loving wisdom and enneagram insights.

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Re: 7s and escaping into a delusional future
by Kitchen Fly » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:47 pm
If you have an interest in type: 7 , 7w8 8w7 4w3 , Sx/sp ,. You may like to consider Sir Peter Cosgrove as an individual of this tritype: 7w8 8w7 4w3 ,and Instinct variant: Sx/sp.

There is a seven minute video clip linked to this photo at the link sight..Sir Peter Cosgrove sworn in as Australia's 26th Governor-General.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/p ... al/5351436

Governor-General Peter Cosgrove: A rough diamond's time to shine
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... 31jto.html


Retired General Peter Cosgrove: Feature Interview
http://www.thebottomlinetv.com.au/inter ... -cosgrove/

Stupid question, excellent response!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emEbOBCIhNQ


I am confident in typing Sir Peter Cosgrove as: type:7 , 7w8 8w7 4w3 , Sx/sp


Image

Peter Cosgrove, as chairman of the Australian War Memorial Board, with Queen Elizabeth ll at the War Memorial in Canberra.
Photo: Ray Strange


If I am incorrect I would expect that he would still be within the tritype grouping, ( 7w8 , 8w7 , 4w3 )
and the ( Sx/sp -- Sp/so -- So/sx ) triangle grouping. Tri-fix: 721



Sir Peter Cosgrove , 26th Governor General Of Australia

- Type: 7
- Subtype: 7w6
- Tritype: 7w8 8w7 4w3
- Tri-fix: 721 ( 721 712 287 )
- Stack: Sx/Sp/So…………. 

Peter Cosgrove, as chairman of the Australian War Memorial Board, with Queen Elizabeth ll at the War Memorial in Canberra.
Photo: Ray Strange


If I am incorrect I would expect that he would still be within the tritype grouping, ( 7w8 , 8w7 , 4w3 )
and the ( Sx/sp -- Sp/so -- So/sx ) triangle grouping. Tri-fix: 721



Sir Peter Cosgrove , 26th Governor General Of Australia

- Type: 7
- Subtype: 7w6
- Tritype: 7w8 8w7 4w3
- Tri-fix: 721 ( 721 712 287 )
- Stack: Sx/Sp/So
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Re: Nothing is ever complete,. An Enneagram Exploration.

Postby Kitchen Fly » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:09 am

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"Now that Ive moved in I think I'll watch Tv The tenants shore have a real nice place here."


…….…………………………..………………………………………………...…………………………...I wonder what Kath and Dave are cooking for dinner ?




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